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Androphilia by Jack Malebranche

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Jeff Wrangler:

--- Quote from: injest on June 11, 2007, 08:34:56 pm ---yes, but he is saying that the current 'gay culture' encourages men to be more 'in touch with their feelings' which to him is feminizing and doesn't encourage them to do that.
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Oh, boy, just what we need in this world, more insensitive male clods on the loose like bulls in a china shop. Don't we have more than enough of them already, straight and gay?


--- Quote ---I am beginning to see his point (he doesn't carry thru on his points as much as I would like) but he was talking about the 50s and 60s; saying that homosexuals were fighting for civil rights using the arguement that Kinsey and others had made that homosexuality was only a variation....a matter of degree. But in the 80s and 90s the gay leadership joined with the feminists and started saying that being gay deserved minority status. Effectively turning them into 'victims' instead of just people.
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Maybe so, but others have commented on the "cult of victimhood" that has developed in this nation since the 1960s. Everyone is a "victim."

This is beginning to sound like where he is going is that there should be no legal protections against discrimination based on sexual orientation. ...

injest:
well I am not thru it yet. But I do agree with him about this culture we ALL have these days of everyone being a victim.

and it is interesting Jeff that REAL VICTIMS of crimes are encouraged to call themselves 'survivors'. I believe words have power. I went to incest 'survivors' group a few years ago. Went for a while but I was not happy calling myself a 'survivor'; I hadn't been almost murdered...I had been raped. Why call me a survivor? You don't die from sex....

anyway, I would go and look at these women that had been coming for YEARS, telling the same stories and having the same trouble...and I didn't want to be that person. They got something from being a 'victim'. If they were victims they weren't responsible to change their own lifes. To take care of themselves.

I prefer to think of gay men as men. Just men that would rather have sex with other men. Some macho, some not so macho.

Malebranche is not against antidiscrimination....just against this culture that encourages people to be something they are not. That worships looks over character.

Or at least that is what I am getting from him...

Jeff Wrangler:

--- Quote ---and it is interesting Jeff that REAL VICTIMS of crimes are encouraged to call themselves 'survivors'.
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That is a VERY good point!  :)


--- Quote ---Malebranche is not against antidiscrimination....just against this culture that encourages people to be something they are not. That worships looks over character.
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Can't disagree with that. But it's an up-hill if not a hopeless battle, I'm afraid.
 

Shuggy:
Well I have't read the book but I did read the article at the top and his responses to gender studies man Cameron Le Vogt (sp?), and I'm a bit inclined to say a plague on both their houses. There should be room for wimps and flamers and big butch macho guys. I see leather men and bears who are camper and more pathetic than faeries and dragqueens, so I'm not very impressed with his "just guys" stance.

There is still discrimination against us and plenty of hatred, but not - thank the Great Teapot - much left here in NZ. We still have our mind-forged manacles, though, and the memory (and the memory of the memory) of when just admitting to yourself that you loved your own sex was an uphill job. They should both cut each other some slack. There is room for activism, and analysis (but Post-Modernism seems to be finally getting its comeuppance, thank TGT), and just getting on with life too.

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