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How much did he see exactly?
thecutestcollie:
How much did Aguirre see? and What does "stemming the rose" mean? Did he see them engage in sex? I thought he just saw them kiss but it has been confusing me for awhile..
Brown Eyes:
Yes, I take Aguirre's comment to mean that he saw them having intercourse (which is what "stemming the rose" means metaphorically).
Also, in Proulx's story it's made more explicit that Aguirre watched them for a longer amount of time than the film shows.
But, in the "happy tussle" scene, which we see Aguirre witness with his binoculars, I think it's implied that something more had just been happening prior to Ang Lee cutting to this scene... and something more is probably meant to continue to happen after the scene cuts away. At the very beginning of the scene, we see Jack zipping up his jeans (or that's what it looks like to me) and Ennis has really muddy knees... all of which seem to be meant as suggestive. And, I've always interpreted Ennis's playful act of knocking Jack's hat off as foreplay. When he knocks Jack's hat off again during the reunion kiss, it's again evocative of this foreplay I think.
By the way, welcome to BetterMost! Want a cup of coffee don't you, and a piece of cherry cake?
:)
thecutestcollie:
--- Quote from: atz75 on June 12, 2007, 11:29:16 pm ---Yes, I take Aguirre's comment to mean that he saw them having intercourse (which is what "stemming the rose" means metaphorically).
Also, in Proulx's story it's made more explicit that Aguirre watched them for a longer amount of time than the film shows.
But, in the "happy tussle" scene, which we see Aguirre witness with his binoculars, I think it's implied that something more had just been happening prior to Ang Lee cutting to this scene... and something more is probably meant to continue to happen after the scene cuts away. At the very beginning of the scene, we see Jack zipping up his jeans (or that's what it looks like to me) and Ennis has really muddy knees... all of which seem to be meant as suggestive. And, I've always interpreted Ennis's playful act of knocking Jack's hat off as foreplay. When he knocks Jack's hat off again during the reunion kiss, it's again evocative of this foreplay I think.
By the way, welcome to BetterMost! Want a cup of coffee don't you, and a piece of cherry cake?
:)
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Oh ok thanks. That's what I thought ;)
Thanks :) Yes ma'am I'll have a cup of coffee but I can't eat no cake just now ;D
Rayn:
Yes atz75 is right about Aguirre seeing them do more and, as she says, it's in the book clearly.
He watched them with 10x42 binoculars..."for 10 minutes one day, waiting until they buttoned up their jeans... " So, yes, in the book, Aguirre saw that having some sort of sex and that pretty much carries over into the film with the "stemming the rose" comment, which is in the screenplay but not the book.
That was a clever way to get the idea that Aguirre actually saw them in the act though, wasn't it?
Rayn:
Ah ha, I knew it , I knew it.... at 250 posts my humble position changed to...
"Brokeback got me good"!! LOL
I was waiting for that to happen 'cause that's just how I'm feeling again!
What fun!! :laugh: :D
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