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--- Quote from: Penthesilea on February 15, 2015, 04:17:01 am ---And I think Sonja and I are not the only ones.
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You're not! ;D
I'm still interested after all these years in seeing what people observe. Please continue and enjoy, dontinterrupt and coffeedrinkintexan! That's what BetterMost is for. And it's almost impossible to overanalyze "Brokeback Mountain," movie or story!
Front-Ranger:
I second that! Your post reminded me of every time Ennis opened the door just a bit, Jack would walk right through, breaking his "vertebrates" just a little more each time. It reminded me of Charlie Brown, Lucy, and the football. :'(
coffeedrinkintexan:
--- Quote from: dontinterrupt on February 15, 2015, 12:06:41 am ---aw, thanks, Sason :)
so here's another LSD I lately began to appreciate:
Fishing trip post the thanksgiving drama scene. The one with "God damn Jack-Fucking-Twist, got it all figured out, don't ya" (BTW: how harsh!).
Rewind a little bit to the moment when Jack says "Well, maybe you oughta get out of there, you know? Find yourself some place different, maybe Texas?". Note how Jack's tone and behaviour are so blatantly uncertain, really emphasising how insecure (almost scared) he still is after all these years, to be mentioning anything that even vaguely hints them getting together. He even tries to fake nonchalance when saying this, with the pauses and the shrug, but it really only highlights it. And then when Ennis starts to ridicule him with the sarcastic remark of adopting the girls with Lureen, this insecurity is confirmed again along with something else definitely present there when he just looks at Ennis defeat in his eyes, blinks a few times, then tilts his head (look closely, it lasts but a few seconds), as Ennis finishes his tirade. His "Go to hell, Ennis Del Mar" sums all these feelings up - resentful, quiet, voice breaking, then quickly replaced by anger.
Did you see that too? It's such an underrated scene!... Or am I overanalysing? ???
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That's such a painful scene, start to finish.
J&E both full of hopes (some of them repressed), doubts, fears, and frustrations and they both just boil over....just a little. It's kind of a prelude to the bigger blowup that's coming.
They are both so damaged, yet fundamentally good people, and work so hard to cover the damage in their own way. It's devastating. I just want to take them home and hug them both and tell them they can be together, it's okay with me.
dontinterrupt:
--- Quote from: Penthesilea on February 15, 2015, 04:17:01 am ---
Jack's attempt on hiding his motives is pretty clumsy and Ennis easily sees through it. I can understand Ennis' strong reaction. E opens up to J, talks about his insecurities, his angst, about their situation (and I bet he wasn't often willing to do that!) and J brushes E's anxieties aside in one big swoop: just move to Texas, everything will be fine. As if Tx were so much more progressive and easy going. And no thought whatsoever about E's daughters. Easy to say for Jack. But of course, seeing poor Jack being put down so harshly is sad, too.
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Thanks Penthesilea! I've not thought about this scene much from Ennis's perspective, you're right. I think you might have opened my eyes here, as I've noticed now that whenever I go past the after-divorce scene in the movie (the one with Jack's 'surprise' visit), I tend to victimise Jack a lot in their relationship...
--- Quote from: Penthesilea on February 15, 2015, 04:17:01 am ---
Like Sonja (Sason) already said, and as you can see here in Open Forum, we led these discussions of minuscule details over several years. Talk about excessive. ;D ;)
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Haha, yes, so I've noticed :D which probably means that not many details by now escaped your attention and I am probably repeating a lot/ reinventing the wheel here... but for us rookies it is quite hard having to read through hundreds of pages of brilliant posts in each topic before contributing something of our own... hope this makes sense?
Front-Ranger:
--- Quote from: dontinterrupt on February 17, 2015, 01:33:18 pm ---
Haha, yes, so I've noticed :D which probably means that not many details by now escaped your attention and I am probably repeating a lot/ reinventing the wheel here... but for us rookies it is quite hard having to read through hundreds of pages of brilliant posts in each topic before contributing something of our own... hope this makes sense?
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You'd be surprised how we have just scratched the surface on many different things! At any rate, it's great to see someone new getting hit with these revelations, and in turn reliving it ourselves!
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