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"I was supposed to control the weather"... Jack and the Wind

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starboardlight:

--- Quote from: Front-Ranger on June 07, 2006, 01:32:09 pm ---I am reading the 2003 screenplay and several concepts are introduced there that are either developed more fully in the final or dropped completely, and these tend to confirm that many of the allusions we've seen are true.

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reading the characters with their elemental association is definitely not a stretch. Michelle Williams definitely talked about evoking the quality of water in her performance, when she did a Q&A at the Pacific Design Center in LA. It confirmed for me that Ennis, Jack, Alma and Lureen are Earth, Wind, Water and Fire respectively.

serious crayons:

--- Quote from: starboardlight on June 07, 2006, 04:08:52 pm --- It confirmed for me that Ennis, Jack, Alma and Lureen are Earth, Wind, Water and Fire respectively.

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Hunh? I always thought water was Ennis' and Jack's relationship. Or maybe that's bodies of water? Or outdoor water?

starboardlight:

--- Quote from: latjoreme on June 07, 2006, 05:07:47 pm ---Hunh? I always thought water was Ennis' and Jack's relationship. Or maybe that's bodies of water? Or outdoor water?

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there's the characters taking on the quality of the elements, and there the elements themselves.

We always see Alma around water of some form. She doing laundry, washing dishes at the sink, steam shooting through laundry vent as she angrily storms out from apartment in "no body's eating, unless you're serving it" scene, the snow outside as she confronts Ennis with the sink running. Michelle Williams explained how water has this strength to hold up ten thousand ton metal ships and yet is so formless that it collapse through your fingers. I definitely see that tension in her reaction to the reunion kiss. She's holding up a huge weight, yet she's about to collapse into a puddle on the floor.

So Alma character is describe as being water like. That doesn't mean that Water necessarily represents Alma. Does that make sense? Perhaps the distinction is in civilization water vs. outdoor water? I'm not sure. The visual of water movement clearly correspond with the dynamic in Ennis' and Jack's relationship. Yet, at the same time, Alma's story arc also flow like water. She tends toward path of least resistance, eventually settling for a comfortable if passionless life with Monroe.

serious crayons:
OK, thanks Nipith, I think I get it. And actually I myself have also thought this:


--- Quote from: starboardlight on June 07, 2006, 08:14:28 pm --- Perhaps the distinction is in civilization water vs. outdoor water?

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I've noticed Alma is often associated with indoor water, while Jack, or Jack and Ennis, are always around outdoor water. The distinction is particularly apparent in the two shirt-washing scenes.

wolf:

--- Quote from: latjoreme on June 07, 2006, 01:25:46 pm ---Sometimes I wonder if they actually have been here. I know they're busy, but if it were me I'd have a hard time resisting a peek or two.


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far be it from me to claim any sort of real knowledge about this  8), but it's worth noting that key players in phenomenons like BBM, the sort that give birth to gargantuan cyber worlds, almost ALWAYS watch and listen.  many, and those you're referring to are no exception, participate.  'they' have very good cloaking devices  ;).

w

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