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Offline Shasta542

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Re: Heath Heath Heath
« Reply #5230 on: May 18, 2008, 01:53:43 am »
I just noticed one of the major TV channels here is going to air "The Patriot" tomorrow night. Though I have sworn never to watch a Mel Gibson movie ever again, and I know that the nationalistic over-simplified good guy/bad guy plot of the story will probably drive me bonkers, I am sorely torn.

I bet I'll let principles be principles and will end up watching it. Apart from "Two Hands" it's the only one of Heath's films I haven't seen yet. (Of the ones that have premiered, that is.)

Yeah. I try not to watch Jane Fonda ones. But mostly I try to separate the person from the movie character because a lot of the actors/actresses aren't the best of role models for anyone.
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« Reply #5231 on: May 18, 2008, 04:54:41 am »
Good morning Heathens :)

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« Reply #5232 on: May 18, 2008, 05:59:28 am »
Mikaela, why would you not see this movie?  Do you have a way of recording it and just fast-forwarding it through Mel? 

Unfortunately, no. My old video recorder died some time back, and I'm not up to speed on DVD recording yet. So I'll have to watch all of it. If I'm not mistaken from all I've read, Heath isn't in the film all the way through, so maybe I can quit midway or something.

Why I wouldn't watch Mel? Passion of the Christ. Religious torture-porn is the absolute dregs of movie-making where I am concerned. He's not going to get my support in any way for doing that and apparently relishing it so thoroughly. His later actions and attitudes revealed while drunk make me stay away even more. Not that I would have touched "Apocalypto" with a 10-foot barge pole anyway, it contains just that kind of horrifically graphic sadism, cruelty and in-your-face-violence that I find sickening and exploitative and avoid like the very plague. So old Mel is very definitely not my man. (Incidentally, I suppose partly this is a national trait thing. The Norwegian Movie Rating Board was on to something of the same.... You had to be 18 years of age to get in to watch Apocalypto here. In contrast, the age limit for seeing Brokeback on your own was 11, and only 7 if accompagnied by an adult. And the reason given for that 11-year limit was the incidents of violence in the film!)

As for opining on the plot of The Patriot, I really should wait till I've seen it. Perhaps it's better than I think!  :)   But unlike "The Order" I fear this film has one of my triggers for getting really, truly annoyed at a film. You're likely in for my opinion when I've seen it!

Hmmm... how bad can it be? It's got young, handsome Heath. *sigh* Yep, I'm gonna watch it.

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« Reply #5233 on: May 18, 2008, 11:05:44 am »
I agree with you about those things you said about Mel Gibson, but I won't let his existence deprive me of seeing Heath.  :)

The other day my TiVo recorded The Brothers Grimm.  Now I've already established for myself that I find a lot of that movie unpleasant and I really don't care for it.  Nevertheless, I fast forwarded through it, and stopped and watched every time it seemed like Heath had a a moment in it.  It's no way to watch a movie for the movie's sake, of course.  It's how I've watched The Order and Monster's Ball too.  One does what one must.  ;)



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« Reply #5234 on: May 18, 2008, 02:42:40 pm »
I agree with you about those things you said about Mel Gibson, but I won't let his existence deprive me of seeing Heath.  :)

The other day my TiVo recorded The Brothers Grimm.  Now I've already established for myself that I find a lot of that movie unpleasant and I really don't care for it.  Nevertheless, I fast forwarded through it, and stopped and watched every time it seemed like Heath had a a moment in it.  It's no way to watch a movie for the movie's sake, of course.  It's how I've watched The Order and Monster's Ball too.  One does what one must.  ;)




You have just made my day.I fast forward to the Heath bits,so consequently have no idea what the actual movies are about.Plot what plot,haven't got a clue.For goodness sake I am a grown woman and am behaving like a teenager!!!!!

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« Reply #5235 on: May 18, 2008, 06:10:37 pm »
Oh, I was going to say that Monster's ball is worth watching in entirety for the first 25 minutes or so, but I take it back. Many of the early scenes are totally painful to watch, for the wrong reasons, and pointless to boot, as Heath isn't in them. Nevertheless, I love his Sonny. Poor, poor dear.  :'(



Anyway, The Patriot has been duly watched and here are my impressions: (*spoilers, obviously*)
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There's been a climate change since the late 1700's. The entire war of independence (is that its name?) was fought in the most lovely, perfect weather, and mainly in autumn when one could march around in corn fields and shoot at each other.

The film sported a heck of a lot of gorgeous costumes and fantastic scenes and scenery, loads of big battle scenes, plantation vistas, big formal balls and what not. It looked like a thoroughly expensive production.

I was expecting the very worst when it came to smaltzy OTT patriotic pathos, so I was actually somewhat pleasantly surprised. For a good part of the film it wasn't as awful as I'd dreaded. Though the last fight between Jason Isaacs and Heath, and even more so the one with Mel Gibson, exceeded my fears and took forever and a day while the violins were going crazy and the slow-mo was put to excessive use. No surprise in that last scene, sure enough.

Virginia (?) in the 1700's before the Brits made such a mess of it must have been alike to England in King Artur's Day, where a pretty virgin allegedly could ride alone in safety from one end of the country to the other carrying a purse full of gold. How else to account for the pretty young aunt, in her continually bosom-baring frocks, living all alone with just a few little kids for company, though a war was raging in the vicinity and strays from both armies plus other brigands would not be unexpected IMO.

The warfare back in the day, where the armies just marched at each other while gunning each other down, seems stupid beyond belief.

Wow, the British were EVIL!! Now I know why my English friends have rolled their eyes at this film so excessively. The lot of those guys as depicted in the film obviously had been born 150 years too soon, and in the wrong nation - they all belonged with the Waffen SS, far as I could determine. If that church-burning isn't a historic fact, I think it was dreadful to include that scene to make the Brits come across all evil. Mrs. Gabriel could have been killed in lots of other ways that would have been less gruesome and more historically correct.

I think the violence was quite excessive, but that was as expected.

All that out of the way: WHO CARES!?! Heath's role was much bigger than I thought it would be (I was misinformed into beliveing he was the son who gets shot early on). And he looked fantastic throughout.  I don't rightly know about the acting, - in a way the film was so formulaic it didn't give anyone much to surprise or awe us with. But it was so worth watching for all the Heathy goodness anyway!!




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Re: Heath Heath Heath
« Reply #5236 on: May 18, 2008, 06:48:11 pm »
I was just reading some trivia about The Patriot at IMDb and came across this:

Jake Gyllenhaal auditioned several times and was considered for the role of Gabriel Martin, but eventually lost out to Heath Ledger.
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« Reply #5238 on: May 18, 2008, 10:15:41 pm »
This is a good site that tells on whom the characters in the movie were based. It also talks about scenes in the movie and which parts are fact and which are fiction.

http://www.patriotresource.com/factfiction/events/page9.html
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« Reply #5239 on: May 18, 2008, 11:56:39 pm »
Wow, the British were EVIL!!

Heh, that's my main memory of that movie (other than the Heathy goodness).  I was aghast at how they depicted the British officers.  No wonder Jason Isaacs has gone on to portray numerous other villains, including Lucius Malfoy in the Harry Potter series.  Way over the top.  ::)

My favorite part is when young Gabriel gets wounded or something and is sitting up in bed with his shirt open.  Yeah, I'm really fifteen.  ;D

Great review and comments, Mika, as always.  8)
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