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Topic of the Week 2/07: Did Ennis and Jack kiss at all up on Brokeback?
SFEnnisSF:
I think they did kiss, but it was like it is portrayed in the movie, with Ennis' eyes closed. And it was brief, a couple a times only. No heavy making out...
ifyoucantfixit:
I see everyones point of view here, and see how they feel the way they do. But as in all these discussions, I feel the ambiguity is
there for the reason we are having this discussion. Everyone has the ability to make their own decision, by bringing their very own life experiences to the mix. Personally I agree with Chrissi's assessment. The most operative line being "as easily" etc. The key fit period.
As for the way they parted, of course they would act casual and part like buddies. They were in public, and Ennis could not have allowed any other parting behavior.
moremojo:
--- Quote from: ifyoucantfixit on August 06, 2007, 12:28:33 pm ---As for the way they parted, of course they would act casual and part like buddies. They were in public, and Ennis could not have allowed any other parting behavior.
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Even so, story Jack and Ennis were far more demonstrative than their celluloid counterparts in this same scene. I would have at least wanted a parting handshake with the man I loved (and I've always been particularly fond of pats on the back), but movie Ennis couldn't even muster up that meager gesture. Another suggestion among others that story Ennis may be slightly more self-aware, or becomes more aware more quickly, than the film's character.
Brokeback_Dev:
--- Quote from: Scott on August 06, 2007, 11:27:40 am ---You guys have to realize what kissing means to closeted (actually closeted and in self-denial) gay men. It's a very sensitive and touchy issue for them. Besides the Topic was aimed at the book version, and we have authoritative proof that they never did.
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Its sad, but I have to agree with Scott here. Kissing is so intimate. Its a way of showing and feeling how much one is loved. Up on Brokeback, Ennis was in denial of his love for Jack.
I dont think the reunion kiss was practiced. There was so much pent up love and longing after 4 years that when they saw each other again, nature took over, and as "easily as the right key turns the lock tumblers" Jack and Ennis kissed and hard for the first time disregarding any rules of society.
Penthesilea:
--- Quote from: brokeback_dev on August 09, 2007, 09:39:25 am --- Kissing is so intimate. Its a way of showing and feeling how much one is loved.
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Hm. Kissing can be very intimate and everything you meant above. But not necessarily so, it can also just happen in the heat of the moment. Like you described the reunion kiss:
--- Quote ---There was so much pent up love and longing after 4 years that when they saw each other again, nature took over, and as "easily as the right key turns the lock tumblers" Jack and Ennis kissed and hard for the first time disregarding any rules of society.
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My argument here is that on Brokeback there already was a good deal of pent up sexual tension, and of longing in those two. They were 19 year old teenagers after all.
And both of them were (or became) pretty uninhibited during their summer:
After the first night:
"...both[!] knew how it would go for the rest of the summer, sheep be damned."
(I love the great "sheep be damned" phrase) This sentence shows a different Ennis than movieEnnis.
And on they go:
"They never talked about the sex, let it happen, at first only in the tent at night, then in the full daylight with the hot sun striking down, and at evening in the fire glow, quick, rough, laughing and snorting, no lack of noises, but not saying a goddamn word except once..."
Annies says twice in this one sentence, that they didn't talk about the sex, but what she does not say is, that they didn't kiss.
"There were only the two of them on the mountain..."
"They believed themselves invisible..."
No rules, no society up there (at least they think so - f*** Aguirre). But plenty of passion and uninhibited sex. I can imagine passionate kisses belonging to the scenario, too.
They "let it happen". How exactly did it "happen"? I don't mean the sexual act itself, but how to begin it? Ennis coming down from the sheep and Jack wordlessly opening his pants? Ennis jumping directly on Jack after gulping down the last beans on his plate? I think not. They had a real good time together, they were not only f***-buddies, but friends. They traded stories, talked about the sheep, bitching about Aguirre, and so on.
I picture them sitting at the campfire, munching their food, smoking a cigarette afterwards and talking and laughing together. How in hell did they come from that to having sex? There must have been some kind of "foreplay", however brief, maybe sometimes consisting in only a look of mutual understanding, but other times some kind of physical contact must have happened before the act itself.
I know it doesn't mean that kissing must have ben a part of that physical contact. But it makes me wonder.
Another thing that makes me wonder; not necessarily tied to the question of kissing:
"..., and in a little while they deepened their intimacy considerably."
Before Jack took Ennis's hand and brought it to his penis, they already had come considerably closer. What do you think: only closer in regard to the space between them (huddling against each other) - or else?
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