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TOTW 05/07: Should Ang Lee have showed more affection between Ennis and Jack?
Brown Eyes:
--- Quote from: adrian on August 27, 2007, 07:38:55 pm ---The dozy embrace was that perfect moment of affection that made the tears start flowing.
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I agree completely. The dozy embrace (still after about a million viewings) makes me cry almost every time. :) :'(
And, well, I guess perceiving chemistry is just subjective. There's no right or wrong way to read it. For me I felt the chemistry starting in the bar after the initial meeting in Aguirre's trailer. I LOVE the opening of the movie. In the earliest moments, before Aguirre arrives and asks them to come into his trailer... I don't so much feel chemistry as a sense of wonder or curiosity. By the time of the bar and Ennis borrowing Jack's lighter, I definitely feel chemistry. I suppose in terms of acting I feel this most in the way Jake/ Jack looks at Ennis and the tone of voice. It still feels much more subtle with Heath/ Ennis, but this is right to me since Ennis is a little slower to catch-up to Jack in terms of sexual awareness. I still contend that some of this really probably does come from Jake and Heath's camaraderie that seems pretty comfortable even in real life.
Oregondoggie:
Ang Lee's sense of reticence annoys me every time I see the movie.
Jack could have still peeled that damn potato and been sneaking a furtive look at Ennis' bawd (as Annie wrote it). And, after the Second Night In The Tent, a couple of warm loving scenes BEFORE Aguirre sees them horsing around would have been nice. The scene in the motel could have panned up from more of Ennis' torso.
Hope I live long enough to see the remake in 30 years or so. (With actors who aren't physical godlets, by the way!)
Katie77:
At my first viewing of the movie, I thought they could have left the first tent scene out, or rather, could have just let us know what happened in a more subtle way...
Even though i felt that way, the movie still had a hold of me and affected me instantly.
After several more viewings, my feelings did a complete turn around, and I wanted more...wanted the love scenes to be longer and more detailed, wanted more scenes of affection, wanted to hear them speak to one another as lovers, there is just not enough...never enough.
I think Ang has given us the same frustrating feeling that Jack felt, of there never being enough, and once Jack was gone, the feeling that probably Ennis felt, that we would never see them together again.
Dagi:
--- Quote from: Katie77 on August 29, 2007, 05:00:48 am ---......... there is just not enough...never enough.
I think Ang has given us the same frustrating feeling that Jack felt, of there never being enough, and once Jack was gone, the feeling that probably Ennis felt, that we would never see them together again.
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I completely agree with you, Katie. Of course I long for more tender scenes, as much as both of them longed for more time together. It´s a frustrating situation, ( although we have the option of rewinding and watching the scenes over and over again, and still....) and that reflects perfectly the way they felt all the time. Longing for more, more, more, and this devastating feeling of never again once Jack had died....
moremojo:
The movie shows us a lot more affection between Ennis and Jack than the short story does. The story's characters are a lot less admirable in many ways than how the film presents them (this is especially true of Jack), and the emphasis in the original tale is how obtuse the two men are (or at least Ennis is) to what is really going on between them. They rationalize that it's just sex, when they really have fallen in love.
I feel that the film shows just enough affection between Jack and Ennis to make its salient points. I would have preferred to have seen more, but the film would have been different as a result, certainly with less of the "never enough time" flavor that imbues the overall product with such melancholy.
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