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TOTW 07/07: Was Mr. Twist homophobic?
Artiste:
Merci Front-Ranger!
Your post tells brilliantly about human nature, especially after a death !!
Do you think that Mr. Twist talked with his son about homosexuality ?
May I ask,
au revoir,
hugs!
Artiste:
Merci oilfieldtrash!
Your post does detail brilliantly too Mr. Twist !! May I say.
And may I ask you too:
Do you think that Mr. Twist talked with his son about homosexuality ?
Au revoir,
hugs!
optom3:
--- Quote from: Front-Ranger on April 25, 2008, 05:44:10 pm ---I am inclined to agree with you, sadly, Artiste after thinking about it. I think OMT was condemning Ennis as a fool.
He was a sad, bitter old man who had lost his farm, his spirit, and, at last, his only son. I think he was consumed with grief and one of the earliest stages of grief is anger, leading on to despair and bitterness.
In fact, now that I think about it, the way OMT acted was similar to the way I saw a few people react after the death of Heath Ledger. It can bring out the worst in people. I've seen people lash out in a vindictive manner, even hatefully. Grief can change people radically. Hopefully it is temporary.
But through it all, I don't think OMT was homophobic because that would mean that he'd be repulsed by his own son. And I don't think that was the case.
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I have had to rethink this one again.I am inclined to agree that OMT was not homophobic as I had first thought.In fact I am now starting to wonder if he actually blames Ennis for the death of Jack. Maybe that is why he wants to hurt Ennis by mentioning the new man.After all if Ennis had agreed to the "sweet life" with Jack he would still have been alive.Also OMT may have had his ranch in better shape.
So in his mind at the route of all the despair and hardships in his life he sees , Ennis.
This could also explain the ashes,as in you did not want to agree to his wishes when he was alive,why now he is dead would you want to follow his wishes.
He is undoubtedly angry and bitter.I don't for a minute think he was happy about Jacks homosexuality,but I now think maybe he tolerated it.To OMT it may seem a bit like shutting the stable door after the horse has already bolted.
Curious how others here can make you completely rethink things.
Artiste:
Merci beaucoup optom!
How wonderful your post is... here !
Now, you got me pensive; you say that maybe OMT tolerated Jack's homosexuality !!
Jack's mother seems OK with Jack's homosexuality, you think maybe so?
Au revoir,
hugs!
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: Front-Ranger on April 25, 2008, 05:44:10 pm ---I am inclined to agree with you, sadly, Artiste after thinking about it. I think OMT was condemning Ennis as a fool.
He was a sad, bitter old man who had lost his farm, his spirit, and, at last, his only son. I think he was consumed with grief and one of the earliest stages of grief is anger, leading on to despair and bitterness.
In fact, now that I think about it, the way OMT acted was similar to the way I saw a few people react after the death of Heath Ledger. It can bring out the worst in people. I've seen people lash out in a vindictive manner, even hatefully. Grief can change people radically. Hopefully it is temporary.
But through it all, I don't think OMT was homophobic because that would mean that he'd be repulsed by his own son. And I don't think that was the case.
--- End quote ---
Well put, Front-Ranger.
--- Quote from: broketrash on April 25, 2008, 08:09:14 pm ---I am very glad to read what you said. I have always felt that OMT was poignant and sad, not angry. Defensive, not attacking. I noticed that others didn't feel this way, and some seemed to need to see OMT as a terrible homophobic father who victimized and made fun of his son. I took a different view that OMT was deeply disappointed in his son, and regretted never being able to really be close to him.
Also, I saw a subtext in OMT's kitchen dialog with Ennis. I imagined OMT really saying to Ennis: "You loved my son, why didn't you protect him? I loved my son, why couldn't I protect him?" and in the end, all OMT could do is protect Jack's ashes from someone that he now wanted to see as an outsider.
--- End quote ---
This too, broketrash.
--- Quote from: optom3 on April 27, 2008, 03:16:57 pm ---I have had to rethink this one again.I am inclined to agree that OMT was not homophobic as I had first thought.In fact I am now starting to wonder if he actually blames Ennis for the death of Jack. Maybe that is why he wants to hurt Ennis by mentioning the new man.After all if Ennis had agreed to the "sweet life" with Jack he would still have been alive.Also OMT may have had his ranch in better shape.
So in his mind at the route of all the despair and hardships in his life he sees , Ennis.
This could also explain the ashes,as in you did not want to agree to his wishes when he was alive,why now he is dead would you want to follow his wishes.
He is undoubtedly angry and bitter.I don't for a minute think he was happy about Jacks homosexuality,but I now think maybe he tolerated it.To OMT it may seem a bit like shutting the stable door after the horse has already bolted.
--- End quote ---
This too, optom3.
--- Quote ---Curious how others here can make you completely rethink things.
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So true.
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