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moremojo:

--- Quote from: Penthesilea on September 21, 2007, 03:30:30 pm ---It's all about drowning. Gawd, this is so depressing stuff  :'(. I think it is such a cruel, cruel way to die, unconsious or not.
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Jack became a brother in death to those lost men on the Thresher.

Drowning is an horrific, painful death, at least if occurring while the victim is conscious. Mary Wollstonecraft survived a suicide attempt by drowning, and wrote of the pain that came in with the lungs filling with water. Even more fundamental than water, sleep, or food in sustaining the body's life, is the need for breathable air. Lack of air quickly induces panic, and panic is always a horrifying experience.

Brown Eyes:


Lee!!  This is an awesome topic.  And, I think aside from the verbal/ text references to the ocean or sea, I think it's important to continue to look for visual clues.

The color of the truck is a good observation, because it really is such a striking and almost flamboyant color for Ennis (who would usually rather blend into the woodwork than call attention to himself in an aqua blue truck).

But, I think the really crucial visual clue is the anchor on the wall in Jack's room in Lightning Flat.  It's on the wall above his bed and near the window.  It's a great reminder of the ocean reference in Ennis's name.  But, also, it occurs to me that it could be almost an analogy...

If Ennis is in the middle of an ocean (an island in the sea) than Jack is his anchor.  Something like that.  It can be read as really romantic perhaps.

Penthesilea:

--- Quote from: atz75 on September 21, 2007, 08:27:15 pm ---
Lee!!  This is an awesome topic.  And, I think aside from the verbal/ text references to the ocean or sea, I think it's important to continue to look for visual clues.

The color of the truck is a good observation, because it really is such a striking and almost flamboyant color for Ennis (who would usually rather blend into the woodwork than call attention to himself in an aqua blue truck).
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As an argument within the story, I'd say that Ennis didn't pay attention to the color at all. He bought what he could afford, not what he liked. He looked for a used truck in a reasonable good condition for a prize he was able to pay. Or maybe someone (a coworker?) offered his old truck on good conditions to Ennis when buying himself a newer one.

But of course there's the question why Ang Lee decided to make Ennis's truck so brightly turquoise. And I agree that it is a visual reference to the ocean.


--- Quote ---But, I think the really crucial visual clue is the anchor on the wall in Jack's room in Lightning Flat.  It's on the wall above his bed and near the window.  It's a great reminder of the ocean reference in Ennis's name.  But, also, it occurs to me that it could be almost an analogy...

If Ennis is in the middle of an ocean (an island in the sea) than Jack is his anchor.  Something like that.  It can be read as really romantic perhaps.

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We just have a discussion about the anchor at another thread. It starts with Lynne's reply #42
http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,5702.40.html

It sure would better fit into this topic than the mettle of man. Should we move the last replies (#42-45) to this thread? Lee, what do you say? You created both threads. Would you like to move the anchor discussion from the mettle of man thread to the hidden ocean thread?

Front-Ranger:
Excellent discussion, everyone. Another reference I would like to bring up is in the story. During foreplay, Ennis is described as stimulating Alma with his hand, "all the way to the north pole or the equator depending on which way you thought you were sailing...."

For Ennis, it was the north pole, for Alma, it may have been the equator!!

RossInIllinois:

--- Quote from: sfericsf on September 21, 2007, 02:03:34 pm ---Hmmm, submarines are long, hard, and full of seamen.  :laugh:   Maybe some more Freudian sexual banter between the two boys before gettin' busy.  ;)  :D

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I was going to ask for my mouse click back on this thread now im not... :laugh:

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