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injest:
Ok...first off


Mean vs Nice

now I know that you hear about Holocaust survivors that are kind and have come thru with their faith and belief intact....

and I know what we were all taught about how good always triumphs...but does it really?

There was a Nazi that said "Here I stand with my guns and swords...there YOU stand with your laws. We shall see who wins" (paraphrased...don't have the quote in front of me.) but you get the drift. and I know the Nazis lost in the long run. that is small comfort to the small child being gassed.

It seems good and nice is so fragile. and mean and cruel so overwhelming...

I think Mean wins.

Daniel:
Hmm, if I may replace your "meanness" with "cruelty" - which is the psychologically addictive control and powerful influence to harm another - I would actually say that the cruel ones are the ones who are losing out.

In their mad rush for power, their eagerness to bring pain to others, they do not realize how much pain they are causing to themselves. The Golden Rule works; even if no one stands up to the cruel, or comes into open conflict with them, those whom would do much to see a little harm come to others will suffer in their spirits and their psyche for their own actions. Those whom are kind, on the other hand, nourish themselves psychically by their own activities, and generate an infinite amount of caring energy that effects both their own lives and the lives of those around them.

If you do not believe me, look at the lives of those whom we know to have been cruel. They are often paranoid, void of friends or emotional companionship, they take no pleasure in the good-natured things of life and can only be humored by the destruction of the noble. One wonders if this is even truly humorous, or if the soul has become so twisted that it measures not the nature of benign behavior.

Cruelty has its price, and kindness is filled with infinite promise.

injest:
it takes months to build a beautiful temple. Two seconds to bomb it into nothing.

a flower takes weeks to grow and bloom. Takes seconds to crush it.

innocence is fragile as that flower. It can't be given back.

So to me the one who bombs. who crushes, who steals the innocence has won.

yes, I think mean people are unhappy. but they still get their way while innocents suffer.

Daniel:
The innocents who built the temple, who watched the flower bloom and grow: They are the true winners. They observed the creation of true beauty, and in those instances of true creation, created beauty in their hearts that no cruelty could take away. Even if the temple is destroyed.... Even if the flower is crushed... Those who observed them, and registered their beauty in their hearts can maintain their beauty infinitely. And even if no fragment of memory remains, they will still have the ideal that allowed that beauty to be remembered.

moremojo:
I believe that each moment is inscribed in Eternity. So, while it is true that the fragile flower can be stomped to bits in seconds flat, the essence of that flower's beauty and vitality remains enshrined in a Memory that transcends our human limitations of understanding. And this is part of the mystery...the stomping and the shredding, by being part of the Story, becomes part of the Beauty and Vitality. There is no polarity in the realm of the Transcendent; such exists only in this contextual field that we call earthly life.

A perennial challenge in this earthly life: How do the meek, the innocent, and the noble find love for the overbearing, the corrupt, and the craven? For the latter are as deserving of Love as the former, though they do not cultivate it in their own lives. To know this is to begin to live this, and that is all we can ask of the vulnerable creature that is the human being.

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