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How to replace too much booze in the gay world??
Artiste:
Thanks jstephens9, and thanks Scott!!
If you want to find out, then do so. I suggest you seek gay organisations and non-gay ones to find out if gay men booze more!! That should tells us something. I know that Coors could not keep those doors open after they fired gays for being only gays!! That is fact! Don't contradict me then if you find that out too!
Concerning booze, even if only a few lives were lost to booze, that would be too many to me, and to you too you two??
I lost lost many gay men friends to booze, and I wish I could still enjoy their laughs, their talks, their sharing, etc.; but can I as they are dead before their times?? !!
Booze, it is now noted by science destroy also brain cells, it seems to me that has been published lately. So, why like booze too much or at all? Is it not better to replace with it with good foods and good times??
Hugs, hugs!!
brokebackjack:
On empirical evidence alone, just what I've seen I think it may well be true that gay community has a very high rate of alcohol abuse.
It is endemic in both the straight and gay community and/but from what I have seen myself, there is a higher incidence within the gay community. The social life of many many gay men is bar centered. I am not saying this is not the case with straight men; what I'm saying is that by and large, the Gay Bar is where many many gay men center their social life. It is where the younger, especially, members of the gay community GO. Straight young men do the same. They also have other outlets which gay young men often don't.
There is just SO MUCH abuse of alcohol in the gay community! Me, I am in recovery from alcohol, and the gay recovering people, men and women, whom I know will pretty much all agree and say the same, that there is more alcohol abuse on average within the gay community then the straight community. I know many many young gay males who are in recovery and'at sea': they don't know where to go to have a gay social life, bars being too dangerous for them to go to. How dangerous? They are in recovery>>>you go to enough bars and eventually you will find yourself struck drunk. The ones who vehemently deny it within BOTH communities, are very often defending their OWN abuse of alcohol.
But when it comes to Coors Beer, I have found absolutely nothing online about its' anti-gayness <? clumsy sentence, I know>
Artiste:
Thanks brokebackjack! Very much so, and hugs too!!
I find your revealing statement as appealing: the thruth, and I accept gladly your sayings and you!! You seek now real happiness... and you will find it, may I suggest!!
1- Concerning Coors, I guess not much is on the internet because that came before we used emails!! Maybe more will be known facts when some will read our questions on that!!
2- Concerning too much boozing in the gay world, I am SURPRISED that the young gay males are drinking that much!! WE older males had no choice but to go to bars... and be SAFER there too; it was our CHURCH like area! But the young gay males have many CHOICES now, I hope. At least, the young and olders like I, can now use the internet to find and communicate with other gay men; plus find others as non-boozers, non-druggers, non-smokers, non-violence, non-cons, hopefully!
There was a small article in the daily a day or two ago that I glanced at while mother was reading the newspaper, as it headlined that: POLICE CHARGING GAYS IN PARK! Or something to that effect!
Here, even if the population is over 100,000, there is only one gay bar, plus it seems one gay park area!! I do NOT go to that gay park! I was told that it was gay... by a gay guy. Plus I read and was told that an older gay man nearly lost his life there as he went there often (all his life it seems), but was beaten and knifed and left for dead there, but he went to court charging the accused and returned afterwards to the park to have fun again and again!! I admire his guts!! His freedom!!
But such park activity are dangerous! So maybe gay bars LESS dangerous? A bit, but they are not and will tell you two stories about that if you like??
Must go get water from the lake, as the city main water line has been broken and this is the 2nd day!
Take care... brokebackjack!
Hugs! Hugs!
Scott6373:
--- Quote from: Artiste on October 21, 2007, 08:22:08 pm ---Thanks jstephens9, and thanks Scott!!
If you want to find out, then do so. I suggest you seek gay organisations and non-gay ones to find out if gay men booze more!! That should tells us something. I know that Coors could not keep those doors open after they fired gays for being only gays!! That is fact! Don't contradict me then if you find that out too!
Concerning booze, even if only a few lives were lost to booze, that would be too many to me, and to you too you two??
I lost lost many gay men friends to booze, and I wish I could still enjoy their laughs, their talks, their sharing, etc.; but can I as they are dead before their times?? !!
Booze, it is now noted by science destroy also brain cells, it seems to me that has been published lately. So, why like booze too much or at all? Is it not better to replace with it with good foods and good times??
Hugs, hugs!!
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I am asking you to provide the evidence. You made the assumptions, now I am asking you to submit the proof you have to back up your claims.
--- Quote from: brokebackjack on October 22, 2007, 12:36:15 am ---On empirical evidence alone, just what I've seen I think it may well be true that gay community has a very high rate of alcohol abuse.
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This is what I was alluding to. I have been an out gay male for almost 30 years, and when I was younger, every gay person I came in contact with drank and used recreational drugs, but where was I coming into contcat with them? In bars and clubs. As I have grown out of that phase, the gay people I have come in contact show no greater propensity for alcohol or substance abuse that any other subset of society. So my empirical evidence would show quite the opposite.
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: Scott on October 22, 2007, 11:40:46 am ---This is what I was alluding to. I have been an out gay male for almost 30 years, and when I was younger, every gay person I came in contact with drank and used recreational drugs, but where was I coming into contcat with them? In bars and clubs. As I have grown out of that phase, the gay people I have come in contact show no greater propensity for alcohol or substance abuse that any other subset of society. So my empirical evidence would show quite the opposite.
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I wonder whether what's happening here is that our culture is changing? I don't have any empirical evidence, either, but I wonder whether we--"we" being gay men--don't have more opportunities for social interaction that don't involve bars than we did 30 years ago?
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