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TOTW 15/07: Short story or movie, which one do you prefer?
Aussie Chris:
--- Quote from: ineedcrayons on December 01, 2007, 03:10:34 am ---To say it's anti-gay is like movies about racism are anti-black, or movies depicting Jesus' crucifixion are anti-Christ.
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Wouldn't it be reasonable to say that crucifixion movies are anti-Christ, after all it was Christ that was killed. So while BBM isn't anti-gay, you could argue that it's anti-Jack! Um, hi Katherine! ;)
Artiste:
Anti-Jack or anti-gay, same thing!!??
Certainly anti-Jack!! Glad you awake persons to that!
Hugs!
Aussie Chris:
--- Quote from: Artiste on December 01, 2007, 03:21:48 pm ---Anti-Jack or anti-gay, same thing!!??
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No Artiste, it is not.
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: Aussie Chris on December 01, 2007, 03:36:15 am ---Wouldn't it be reasonable to say that crucifixion movies are anti-Christ, after all it was Christ that was killed. So while BBM isn't anti-gay, you could argue that it's anti-Jack! Um, hi Katherine! ;)
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Hi Chris! Nice to see you! I'm not sure I understand your comment, though. If the filmmakers clearly take the position that killing the person or persons was wrong, then the movies are not anti-whatever. In BBM, the people who killed Earl were anti-Earl, and if Jack was murdered, then whoever did it was anti-Jack. But the movie isn't anti-Earl and -Jack.
Unless I'm misunderstanding your point. ???
Aussie Chris:
--- Quote from: ineedcrayons on December 01, 2007, 07:41:56 pm ---Hi Chris! Nice to see you! I'm not sure I understand your comment, though. If the filmmakers clearly take the position that killing the person or persons was wrong, then the movies are not anti-whatever. In BBM, the people who killed Earl were anti-Earl, and if Jack was murdered, then whoever did it was anti-Jack. But the movie isn't anti-Earl and -Jack.
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No I don't think you missed my point, just that there is a very big difference between the killing of a character (Jack, Jesus, etc) and the prejudice of a social group (gays, Christians, etc). I was pointing out that crucifixion films may be anti-Christ, but not anti-Christian. Wrt the writers of BBM, one way or another they intended to kill Jack to serve the narrative. Additionally, Jack regularly appeared as being picked on (in the bar after the rodeo, the guys calling Jack a piss-ant, Lorene's father, Jack's father, etc, etc), and all of this was intended to present Jack as a character to sympathise with. And with this in mind I put to you that the film was anti-Jack, but where talking about a character here. So while you could argue that the film is negative towards Jack as a character I don't think people named Jack should feel concerned. In my mind though, anti-gay is too generic a term to be used in this way and to say BBM is anti-gay is to suggest a negativity was intended towards gay people, which I strongly dispute.
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