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TOTW 16/07: Did Alma Jr. know Ennis was gay?
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: LauraGigs on December 11, 2007, 02:40:58 pm ---Alma Jr though? Although I have a hard time believing she knew her dad was gay until after the timeline of the film, I do think she would be okay with it.
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Yes. I really should clarify that I meant to say it strikes me as wishful thinking that she knew by the time of the final scene of the movie and was OK with it by that time. Sorry for my lack of clarity!
She may well have come to know "after the timeline of the film" and have been accepting of it. Fortunately for my friend, even his daughter came around eventually. :)
Artiste:
Ineedcrayons, you do not take away this (below and other lines from others) why, even if it is not the subject, but you take my words away often? Why you think for me? You even put words like they are mine, but are not!
Why accept this then: I'm afraid I tend to see the idea that Junior knew her father was gay, and even more was OK with it, as wishful thinking. But then I also come to this question from a life experience of having had a friend, now dead five years from metastatic lung cancer, who had a daughter who had a very difficult time accepting that her father was gay. And she didn't have to figure it out for herself, she was told (perhaps at an age too young to understand, but nevertheless she was told). And this wasn't small town Wyoming thirty years ago, this was the East Coast in the 1990s. They weren't reconciled until near the end of my friend's life. Thankfully, he and his daughter did have a good relationship for the last few years of his life.
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I see nothing against his words, as I use them as an example... as I do the same as he does. If he can add something like that, then why I can not? Because I am a gay man?
You bewilder me! There is nothing like truth, I say! To those who take offence, that is their problem, and should have the decentcy to tell me about it! I am decent enough to accept their words when I find them offensive! Most times or all times, it is just not understading! You taking me away my freedom of speech to me, is like being anti-gay to me!
I await your answer with open arms so far,
hugs!!
Katie77:
Even if Alma Jnr did not understand......even if she was not OK with it......it would not necessarily mean that she did not love her dad......kids are like parents, they love unconditionally....kids dont realize they do, until they are parents themslves usually...but they do love their parents, no matter what.
Lets not make a martyr out of Alma Jnr.....she was 19 by the end of the movie....at that time in her life, she was completely wrapped up in Kurt and the life she was gonna have with him....she loved her Daddy, of course she did, but the visit to his trailer was more about would he come to her wedding, than to come for just a father daughter visit...by his lack of knowledge about Kurt, it was obvious that these visits were not too regular.
And if she knew or thought he was gay, she would have kept it a secret...she would have maybe even felt embarrassed about it....cant blame her for that.....Ennis did the same thing and he too was in some ways embarrassed about it.
Kids of 19 dont do a lot of soul searching about their parents, not to say they dont worry about them, they get involved in their own lives and their own friends...Alma Jnr was probably no different..........
Artiste:
Katie, you say: And if she knew or thought he was gay, she would have kept it a secret...she would have maybe even felt embarrassed about it....
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May I agree with you that Jr. if she knew that her father was bi or gay, would have kept it a secret, likely??
It is a question one can pose if she did mention it to anyone, maybe?
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But why she would have felt embarassed? Please explain!
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You really think that a kid of 19, does not soul search about their parents? Some do, I say! Especially, in the situation she is in, as her father was divorsed, may I say!
Awaiting your news and from others,
hugs!
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: Katie77 on December 11, 2007, 07:25:28 pm ---.she loved her Daddy, of course she did, but the visit to his trailer was more about would he come to her wedding, than to come for just a father daughter visit...by his lack of knowledge about Kurt, it was obvious that these visits were not too regular.
And if she knew or thought he was gay, she would have kept it a secret...she would have maybe even felt embarrassed about it....cant blame her for that.....Ennis did the same thing and he too was in some ways embarrassed about it.
Kids of 19 dont do a lot of soul searching about their parents, not to say they dont worry about them, they get involved in their own lives and their own friends...Alma Jnr was probably no different..
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Agree.
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