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TOTW 16/07: Did Alma Jr. know Ennis was gay?
serious crayons:
Thank you, Jeff and Penth.
--- Quote from: Artiste on December 11, 2007, 11:40:56 pm ---Straight do not have always the fear of getting killed because they are straights??
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Actually, more than half of all straight people DO have to worry about being attacked or murdered -- not because they are straight, but for another demographic reason: because they are female.
I have no idea how the dangers to the two groups compare. Obviously there are more women than gay people, so statistically I believe there are more hate crimes against women. On the other hand, there is more homophobia out there than sexism -- and homophobia is more hostile and potentially violent -- so gay people are probably at greater risk in proportion to their population. On the other hand, gay people can't necessarily be instantly identified as gay, whereas women usually can ... It gets complicated.
But the point is not comparing the risk of one or the other. My point is that many attacks against women -- rapes, beatings, murders, etc. -- are hate crimes. As a society, we're so used to them we tend to forget that.
underdown:
A few answers in progress. But it will take a while as it will be between 'phone calls at work. :)
Artiste:
Thanks ineedcrayons, and thanks Penthesilea!!
Penthesila, glad that you do clarify and add what was missing!! Qu'est-ce sera, sera, as the song says,: whatever will be, will be, since ineedcrayons and you will do your part and I will too to seek freedom for everyone (in the world, may I add), and most certainly here on Bettermost because we help each other in hard and in good times!! We even laugh, cry and hug!!!
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Ineedcrayons, I am surprised by what you say, but I should not be. I totally agree with you. So, I do say that gays and straights can help each other... somehow in wondrous ways to create peace and joys!! As life is worth living that way!! You say: Quote from: Artiste on Yesterday at 10:40:56 PM
Straight do not have always the fear of getting killed because they are straights??
Actually, more than half of all straight people DO have to worry about being attacked or murdered -- not because they are straight, but for another demographic reason: because they are female.
I have no idea how the dangers to the two groups compare. Obviously there are more women than gay people, so statistically I believe there are more hate crimes against women. On the other hand, there is more homophobia out there than sexism -- and homophobia is more hostile and potentially violent -- so gay people are probably at greater risk in proportion to their population. On the other hand, gay people can't necessarily be instantly identified as gay, whereas women usually can ... It gets complicated.
But the point is not comparing the risk of one or the other. My point is that many attacks against women -- rapes, beatings, murders, etc. -- are hate crimes. As a society, we're so used to them we tend to forget that.
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Ineedcrayons, re-reading you, I have no idea why I am surprised about your sentence, stating that more than half of people on earth do fear as straights since you are females, as your statement was surprising I guess. Yesterday, a young women (14, 15, or 16 years of age) was killed by her father, because she was refusing to wear her muslim head scarf; that happened near Toronto, Canada, in an democratic country! So, I understand her fears too, since her father obliged her brother and sister to see if she did wear that religous clothing at her high school, but she brought other garments which she wanted and loved to show her beautiful hair (at school)! Such murders are happening too often, as far as I am concerned. and is one reason why we need to educate. How?
She deserved to live her own life, it seems to me.
Quebec is called lately by some as negative society, since freedom loving persons are demanding that such actrocities stop, and that such anti-freedom groups of immigrants entering be educated. Laws in Canada are also being rediculed and not used by some with such so-called religious anti-women, anti-gay, and anti-freedom actions!!
And, I am not only talking about islam!
Why do I mention this here? In the movie, it seems to me that Alma Jr. is freedom loving, as she accepts her father as he is: hetero as for one marriage only with a woman he married, bi or gay, and/or otherwise!! May I express that we need more Alma Juniors in our democratic societies and in other countries throughout the world?? !! She is freedom loving, surely??
Awaiting your news, and that of all,
hugs!!
TOoP/Bruce:
--- Quote --- Did Alma Jr. know Ennis was gay?
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I think there are hints to that effect in the script, but I don't think that can be inferred from the story. I think we see Alma as a female version of her father, laconic and somewhat cryptic, and as someone who loves Ennis despite the fact that he would never be nominated for father of the year. My experience is that many children are uncomfortable about their parents' sexuality in general and despite any suspicions, would probably prefer not to ask. When they eventually find out, it usually matters less than most people would think.
My parents weren't perfect, but I still love 'em, even though they are no longer together.
Artiste:
Thanks TOoP/Bruce!
You sure say lots here, as well as simply precise! I must re-read and think!!
You comment: Quote
Did Alma Jr. know Ennis was gay?
I think there are hints to that effect in the script, but I don't think that can be inferred from the story. I think we see Alma as a female version of her father, laconic and somewhat cryptic, and as someone who loves Ennis despite the fact that he would never be nominated for father of the year. My experience is that many children are uncomfortable about their parents' sexuality in general and despite any suspicions, would probably prefer not to ask. When they eventually find out, it usually matters less than most people would think.
My parents weren't perfect, but I still love 'em, even though they are no longer together.
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To reply to you TOoP/Bruce, you make me think when you say this way as described with such details that Alma jr. is an female version of her father!! Indeed, I think she is... I guess, and in many ways: she thinks a lot, like her father?? She also has an eye like him? At least, in the movie! Likely not in the book, as you say. But why this accent in the movie via Jr.? To make us think that she knew that her dad was gay, and/or for other reasons?? Like for issues too??
Hugs!
Hugs!
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