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TOTW 16/07: Did Alma Jr. know Ennis was gay?
Artiste:
At least Alma Jr. is a decent person!
Not many are decent, not her mother that mcuh!
Hugs!
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: jstephens9 on November 30, 2007, 05:08:27 pm ---I agree Jeff. Junior is certainly not very happy at all about Cassie being in the pickup. That is clearly not what she expected or wanted her time with her father to consist of. As far as that scene goes, I don't think it would matter whether her father was gay or anything else. She was certainly not overjoyed with Cassie. She was also not at all happy that her father brought Cassie along.
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Very true, Jack! :D
Katie77:
--- Quote from: Artiste on November 30, 2007, 05:49:08 pm ---At least Alma Jr. is a decent person!
Not many are decent, not her mother that mcuh!
Hugs!
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I think you are being way to harsh on Alma......as Ennis said....."aint her fault".....
...and i'm not going to get into the morality of who was wrong, or who did what in their marriage....as a mother it seems to me that Alma was very decent......
How many women have their ex-husbands to Thanksgiving?......and it is obvious she has kept Ennis' secret from everyone.....I think that is very decent.....
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: Katie77 on November 30, 2007, 08:09:24 pm ---I think you are being way to harsh on Alma......as Ennis said....."aint her fault".....
...and i'm not going to get into the morality of who was wrong, or who did what in their marriage....as a mother it seems to me that Alma was very decent......
How many women have their ex-husbands to Thanksgiving?......and it is obvious she has kept Ennis' secret from everyone.....I think that is very decent.....
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I agree with you, Katie. Though I don't think she was really that happy to have Ennis to Thanksgiving, I think she put her own preferences aside and did it for her daughters, so they could be with their daddy. Pretty decent of Monroe to go along with it, too.
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: brokeplex on November 30, 2007, 10:44:44 am ---What a condescending characterization!
I don't think that there is evidence one way or the other as to Alma's intellectual abilities or her chioice of reading materials . Just because someone is not quoting
Proust or making up cute Haiku verse on screen, that doesn't make them a dummy.
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Didn't say she was a dummy, just said she wasn't any smarter than the average teenage girl. Certainly her actions don't hint at any 'deeper' intelligence. She's just an average small town girl.
Still waters run deep. Hmmmm. Yes, but what does that mean exactly? I never heard it used in describing someone's intelligence. As for getting smarts from her father...Ennis is the one who thought telling his wife he was fishing for years but never bringing any home nor using his reel was a good cover story, don't forget.
--- Quote ---She was a reticent young woman who would soon be finding her own way in life. She wanted her Daddy, whom she loved, to be at her wedding. She related to him in a way that convinced him to quit his job cowboying in the Tetons and attend her wedding. I'd say she was a very skillful young lady, even Jack couldn't always get Ennis to quit his job in order to see him!
Give Alma, Jr a break!
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Remember, Junior is the oldest daughter. That means her sister is likely still a minor.
Ever heard of child support?
Ennis is not only living in poverty, it's possible Ennis is still paying child support for her sister, yet Junior has no problem with him quitting his job for her wedding. That he's going to have to scramble to get another job in time for his next support payment/rent so he doesn't get behind doesn't bother/occur to her.
Skillful or just typical teenager - self-absorbed and oblivious?
Yes, I believe the dialogue meant he was going to have to quit his job to attend the wedding. In ranching, like Ennis said when the heifers were calving, you have to be there. Ranchers have to have a certain amount of manpower for a drive. Being short-handed makes it more dangerous and more work for those left behind. So basically they would replace Ennis and then he'd have no place in the drive after the wedding. It isn't a 9-5 job with days off for weddings.
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