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TOTW 16/07: Did Alma Jr. know Ennis was gay?
Marge_Innavera:
--- Quote from: LauraGigs on November 30, 2007, 02:00:59 am ---I definitely agree there, Marge. But there's a huge difference between hearing gayness mentioned on the TV or by giggly highschoolers, and making the leap that your big, macho, stoic father has been faking straight since before you were born, you know?
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Actually, that's one of the reasons I suspect that if Ennis ever came out to either of his daughters, it would be a good distance in the future.
I mean, even if Ennis was straight, never met Jack and his marriage broke up for other reasons -- how many people feel at ease discussing their sex life with their children, even adult children; or vice versa. For a lot of us, just the thought of our parents having sex causes the heebie-jeebies. ::)
Marge_Innavera:
--- Quote from: brokeplex on November 30, 2007, 10:44:44 am ---I don't think that there is evidence one way or the other as to Alma's intellectual abilities or her chioice of reading materials . Just because someone is not quoting Proust or making up cute Haiku verse on screen, that doesn't make them a dummy. She was a reticent young woman who would soon be finding her own way in life. She wanted her Daddy, whom she loved, to be at her wedding. She related to him in a way that convinced him to quit his job cowboying in the Tetons and attend her wedding. I'd say she was a very skillful young lady, even Jack couldn't always get Ennis to quit his job in order to see him!
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Yes, most of the shortcomings a viewer could come up with about Junior -- based on what little we're told about her -- can be attributed to her age. We can only speculate about what she'd be like with some years on her.
IMO her wanting her father at her wedding, and looking so happy when he says he'll be there, is not ony totally understandable; in a way it's an indication of how this father-daughter connection has persisted in spite of everything. Just the fact that she even asks her father to be at her wedding indicates that there are quite a few bridges to be mended, most of it caused by neglect.
Or put it this way: I never invited my own father to my wedding, and he would have been totally mystified if I had -- he just assumed he'd be walking me down the aisle the minute I announced my engagement.
Artiste:
At least Alma Jr. is a decent person.
Unlike her mother who is vicious, Alma Jr. accepts her father being a gay man or an bi-person!!
Hugs!
souxi:
I wouldn,t say that Alma senior was vicious. You have to remember that she loved Ennis, and as if that wasn,t bad enough that he loved someone else and not her, what made it doubly worse for her, was that it was a man. That had to hurt.
Artiste:
Souxi, Ennis was hurting too!
Alma senior could have continued her marriage, but ended it viciously!! She ended it, not her husband!
Ennis would have kept on with the marriage, even after Jack's return! He was the decent one!
Besides Alma Senior was already playing the field even if she was married!! ??
A real lady married to a gay guy, finding out that he is a bi or gay man, does not become to act at all the way she did! Alma Senior is vicious, and she is seen that way too in the movie at that Thanksgiving!
However, Alma Jr. was kind to her father, even if she knew that he was a bi or gay man! Alma Jr. was not vicious, but could have been like her mother!! Alma Jr. is not anti-gay like her mother is!
Things to think about...
hugs!
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