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opinionista:
--- Quote from: David on November 29, 2007, 05:46:33 am ---I beg to differ, Katherine. I remember Oprah talking about this while she was promoting the movie Beloved. She said it really happened. Now, perhaps this was some sort of cheap Hollywood gimmick. I always understood it to be true and factual.
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Sorry to go OT here. Actually, Katherine is right. Beloved is fictional. I believe Toni Morrison herself said it. It is loosely based on Margaret Garner's story. In fact, this isn't something that happened just to Margaret Garner. Many enslaved women killed their kids, especially their daughters to protect them not just from slavery but also from being raped by their masters. It is a sad part of slave history in the US and other countries. At least in Puerto Rico many slave women were raped and forced into concubinage, and many killed their daughters to prevent them from having the same fate.
We'll back to topic.
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: garycottle on November 29, 2007, 02:10:46 pm ---On the one hand you have the Europeans who think they're so high and mighty, and then you have the Native Americans who, after learning about this cornerstone of Christianity, think those nasty white people are cannibals.
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Yeah, I was going to say something like that earlier. Forget what we know about Christianity -- if we heard that, say, some tribal people in Africa or the Amazon follow a religion in which they believe that a guy who lived 2,000 years ago was the son of God, and that they perform a ritual in which they pretend to drink his blood and eat his flesh, but actually consider themselves to be doing so due to a miraculous transformation, we'd probably consider it borderline barbaric, at best. We'd rush right over there to convert those people to whatever our religion would be! :laugh:
Kerry:
I feel several issues should be raised re the subject of transubstantiation in the Catholic Mass.
Catholics believe that only an anointed priest (as in, "You are a priest forever, according to the Order of Melchizadeck") can perform transubstantiation. Ergo, before one can accept RC communion, one must believe in the concept of the Melchizadeckian priesthood.
Catholics believe that when the priest speaks the words of transubstantiation, the hosts and the wine literally turn into the body and blood of Jesus Christ.
Catholics believe that one must be in a "state of grace," before one can take communion; i.e., take the physical body of Christ into your mouth and consume it. Catholic dogma dictates that the way to gain this "state of grace" is by undergoing the sacrament of forgiveness, otherwise known as attending confession.
One must be a baptised and confirmed Catholic in order to participate in the sacraments of the Church; ergo, one must be a Catholic before one can (i) obtain absolution in confession and (ii) take communion.
Before one takes communion at RC Mass, the priest holds forth the host before the communicant and says the words, "The Body of Christ," to which the communicant responds, "Amen." By responding, "Amen," one is proclaiming that one does, in fact, believe that what they are about to consume is the actual flesh of Christ.
If one has not fulfilled all or any of the requirements leading up to the taking of communion at Mass, it is my personal opinion that it is not appropriate to do so. And it all comes down to those four little words, "The Body of Christ." If you cannot honestly respond, "Amen," in accordance with Catholic doctrine, it is not appropriate for you to be responding, "Amen."
This is why I no longer attend Mass.
delalluvia:
A relative of mine fits all that RC criteria. When I brought up the issue of transubstantiation and how kinda gross that sounded, she merely replied, "But I poop Him out again." ;D
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: Kerry on November 29, 2007, 07:48:58 pm ---If one has not fulfilled all or any of the requirements leading up to the taking of communion at Mass, it is my personal opinion that it is not appropriate to do so.
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I kind of suspected that was the case.
--- Quote from: delalluvia on November 29, 2007, 08:23:25 pm ---she merely replied, "But I poop Him out again." ;D
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I'm afraid even to laugh at that! :o :-X
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