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TOTW 18/07: Do you think classic cowboy icons like the "Marlboro Man" were proto
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: ineedcrayons on February 19, 2008, 01:59:34 am ---I don't know if Heath will achieve the same iconic status, but it sounds like burning the candle at both ends was exactly what he WAS doing.
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James Dean was living fast - racing a sports car - pushing the edge - for thrills.
Heath was pushing the edge - so he could sleep and get back to work on his 3 movies.
There is a difference.
Go do a Google search on James Dean images. He's an icon because people want to emulate him:
Brooding loner, in cowboy hats, trench coats, t-shirt, pegged jeans and leather jackets out for thrills. He looked ultra cool and slightly dangerous.
Now remember all our lovely pics of dear Heath - in goofy suits, mismatched clothes, silly hats, quirky sunglasses and godawful hoodies with unwashed hair and unlaced sneakers, spazzing out doing interviews and assuming the 'teapot' position. He looked like a geek and a goober.
Anything iconically 'cool' about Heath that people are going to want to emulate?
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on February 19, 2008, 09:45:51 pm ---James Dean was living fast - racing a sports car - pushing the edge - for thrills.
Heath was pushing the edge - so he could sleep and get back to work on his 3 movies.
There is a difference.
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Sure, there's a difference in their lifestyles. But what I said still holds. Burning the candle at both ends means working too hard and not getting enough sleep (the idiom refers to burning the candle because it's dark -- that is, late at night and early in the morning) and there's no question that was one of Heath's issues.
injest:
I think we are just looking for similarities with Dean. Wikipedia is hardly (in my mind) the go to source for facts.....who knows who wrote those entries? It could have been the same person feeling a bit lazy.
Dean was famous because of his roles and his death were so fitting. Now if Heath had died being thrown off a horse while herding sheep MAYBE I would consider them similar...
I agree with the 'chicken and egg' comment. I defy anyone to get on a horse and look down and not look 'like the ads'....are you posing? come on. Put on a hat and lean on a building and you are aping an ad? Not every cigar is a penis. sometimes it is just a cigar.
I don't understand this idea....that someone in an ad agency uses an image that is COMMON in an area and suddenly the IMAGE is what is being copied by the people that the ad guy copied!!
and now my head hurts...that is insane logic.
movie guy gets script: needs to dress a poor country boy....does some investigating...
"hat, carhart jacket...ok that is what poor country boys wear....let's get Ennis a carhart and a hat"
movie fan:
"Oh look! that country boy is wearing a carhart and a hat...he must be imitating Ennis!!"
::) ::)
pnwDUDE:
--- Quote from: injest on February 20, 2008, 05:58:34 am ---
"Oh look! that country boy is wearing a carhart and a hat...he must be imitating Ennis!!"
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Or imitating the Marlboro Man or James Dean.
--- Quote from: injest on February 20, 2008, 05:58:34 am ---I don't understand this idea....that someone in an ad agency uses an image that is COMMON in an area and suddenly the IMAGE is what is being copied by the people that the ad guy copied!!
and now my head hurts...that is insane logic.
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But Jess, this is what people who live in town think, and they don't get it. My point was that it isn't an image. Images are Hollywood as is James Dean. One puts on 'airs' in an attempt to garner 'image'. Some are simply what they are. Your son and his (boyfriend) come to mind. They aren't adopting or imitating or costuming. They are just them, just like Ennis and one Jack Twist. Of course some out there will attempt to lump them into fake image and ads, but that is okay cause', well, they just don't get it.
Brad
pnwDUDE:
--- Quote from: ineedcrayons on February 19, 2008, 12:27:15 pm ---Cool photo, Brad, of your man on the roof. At first I thought it WAS Ennis. That should be your Christmas card next year.
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Actually, it was Ennis Brad taking a pic of Jack Steve. Maybe I'll crop in two feet of snow (which we had a week later), then maybe a Christmas card for next year ;)
Brad
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