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TOTW 19/07: Why couldn't Jack learn to just be happy with things as they were af
Artiste:
about that first time in the tent, whether in the short story or the film: The reason the action went so fast was because Ennis was already erect when Jack reached around and grabbed Ennis's hand and placed it on his own erection.
well said Jeff!!
That was so in the book?
Hugs!! May all tents in the world have such actions!!
moremojo:
If Ennis was erect in the tent, it's not at all clear that Jack could have known this when he put Ennis's hand upon his (Jack's) own tumescence. If Jack had sensed or known this, it would make his action seem less impulsive and risky.
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: moremojo on January 04, 2008, 01:05:12 pm ---If Ennis was erect in the tent, it's not at all clear that Jack could have known this when he put Ennis's hand upon his (Jack's) own tumescence. If Jack had sensed or known this, it would make his action seem less impulsive and risky.
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Yes?
We can't tell how closely they're huddled together for warmth. My guess now is that Ennis was erect, and Jack could feel it.
A 19-year-old can get pretty hard pretty fast, I guess, even if he's drunk. But still, it's troubled me that the penetration is almost instantaneous. This could be explained if Ennis was already erect.
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on January 04, 2008, 01:35:20 pm ---Yes?
We can't tell how closely they're huddled together for warmth. My guess now is that Ennis was erect, and Jack could feel it.
A 19-year-old can get pretty hard pretty fast, I guess, even if he's drunk. But still, it's troubled me that the penetration is almost instantaneous. This could be explained if Ennis was already erect.
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Jeff, I think that you are correct! I hadn't considered that Ennis was entirely aware of Jack's plans, but now I think he knew what was going to happen.
AP writes, "...with the help of the clear slick and a little spit, he entered him, nothing he'd done before but no instruction manual needed."
The "clear slick" part of that qoute tells me that Ennis may have been erect for a while. Maybe Ennis was playing that old game my frat brothers used to play, he was pretending to not be interested, just laying there waiting. "oh last night, I was asleep, sure was a lot of noise in the halls!" yep, I've heard that one before.
Sandy:
Is it not human nature to strive for more? For example, we all go to work each day, but dream about a better future for us, for our families. People work hard for promotions, go to college etc. It may not be utopia that we seek but we certainly hope for progression.
Applying the same theory to relationships, couples get married/become civil partners (in Scotland). People want more-more security, or, in Jack’s case, a commitment.
It was never mentioned in the film, but it appeared to me that during the twenty years previously, trips were never cancelled. The blow up occurred during their final meeting and neither mentioned the fact that trips were always being put off, simply that they weren’t long/often enough.
If that is the case, then Ennis gave Jack as much of a commitment that he could. On that basis, maybe Jack was thinking that love grows, children get older, society moves on and one day, one day….
Sandy
P.S. Wrangler, it did seem instantaneous and I thank you for explaining why! Sandy slaps forehead!
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