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Brokeback as an Anti-Gay Polemic : essay by W.C. Harris
ifyoucantfixit:
I agree Jeff. And it rather trivializes the thing to try and compartmentalize it. No matter how learned the
person making the statement.
Luvlylittlewing:
--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on January 04, 2008, 11:23:41 pm ---The sheer variety of people, regardless of age, gender, or sexual orientation, who have fallen in love with this film and this story, who have had their lives touched and changed and enriched by this film and this story, and who participate in this community as a result of this film and this story, is proof enough of the universal appeal of both "Brokeback Mountain" the story and Brokeback Mountain the film, any academic critic to the contrary notwithstanding. :)
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Certainly true!
Artiste:
Thanks garycottle, and thanks all of you too!!
Gary, you say about the BM movie: it's about two individuals, Jack and Ennis, and they happen to be gay.
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Gary, may I wonder of these two were indeedgay?? I do not think that film passes them just as gays!!
Rather, as straights in some or too many ways, plus much more!!
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If they were so gay, then why so, so many secondary scenes showing them in??
Anyway, food for thought maybe,
hugs!! May Hollywaood do real films about real gay lives!!
Artiste:
Thanks Gary!
Your comments are very, very interesting to me. They also puzzle me... (you know that is the way I am, puzzled about life!)!!
Since I just got a call from someone saying that her mother just passed away, I am in difficulty in reading you and in answering you. I will try, especially with questions to some of your thoughts, OK?
You say: Of course you can wonder if Jack and Ennis were really gay. You can wonder about anything you like. No one needs anybody's permission to wonder.
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Gary to that: may I say in agreement thank goodness one can wonder, even if a person figures that life is like a prison or even when tortured!! To wonder is great!! My views about Ennis and Jack being gay or otherwise have changed somewhat, even yesterday about one!! I will likely colour that further as I go on finding about them!! (And about myself and others too, of course!!)
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Gary when you say: But I personally think Jack and Ennis were gay. You can argue that they were bisexual. There may be something to that. I suspect most people are bisexual to one degree or another, even if they won't admit to it.
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Gary to that, may I say that was, is and, I guess, will always be a puzzle to me: bi-s!! I think too that most persons are bi-s, to certain degress, as you say!! Including myself! Will talk about moi on that later, if you or anyone like, but for now, am puzzled about bi-living!! Why??
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Gary you add: But it seems to me that Jack and Ennis were primarily interested in one another, and the reason they had wives was because they felt pressure to live up to societal expectations.
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Gary: That really puzzles me!!
Gary may I question: I do not really know if it is only society (in our civilisation still) that forces gay men to marry females, as wives!! ?? Of course, many persons expect a straight, bi or gay or other guy to marry a female
... as that continues as the norm, for now... and I question that too. But related to that word expectations is another question: to me, many gay men do also want children and/or to marry a female and have a wife therefore!! ?? Right? And in that range, there are some who are bi-s who also want their gay partner!! ?? Right??
So, maybe there are some ménage à 3??? Which I would find that normal too, and which I would have maybe preferred??
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Of course you and others are welcome to comment. I still think that the BM movie is somewhat anti-gay, etc., as well as pro-gay, in some degrees and find much more everyday about that, especially regarding normalizing... too!!
Your other lines, may I comment later. And remind me if I forget!
For now, I do not see why Ennis is not considered OK having married a female to be his wife, and for them both to have children (since he cares for his children and her too); plus have his straight, bi-, gay, or other male lover!!
Hugs!! May we all be enlightened about different marriages or couplesand wondrous ways of living in comfort, freedom and peace!!!
ifyoucantfixit:
Ok Artiste, I will try yet again to find out exactly where you are coming from...
Do you think that men or women for that matter if they are gay, should be allowed, nay encouraged to
marry, and even have an extra partner if that is available to them....
Then when that is not allowed, nay encouraged if the gay person desires it...then that person that stops that
from happening is then anti gay?
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