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TOTW 01/08: Do you think Jack was murdered or was it an accident?
Artiste:
Hey, TV mentions that the murderers of gay men in Germany were christians - likely protestants, right? As in the BM movie right?
So I am on topic!
Awaiting your reply to that one,
hugs, hugs, ifyoucantfixit and Scott!!
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: Artiste on January 09, 2008, 02:01:19 pm ---Hey, TV mentions that the murderers of gay men in Germany were christians - likely protestants, right? As in the BM movie right?
So I am on topic!
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No, as a reminder: the topic is not which religions are most likely to murder gay men. The topic is about the death of one particular (fictional) gay man.
moremojo:
I agree that all topics raised here are interesting and relevant in themselves, while recognizing the importance of not veering too far from the topic of this particular thread (my apologies for having contributed to that). I just thought I'd note, in light of my own comments, that Ennis doesn't seem to be particularly religious, if at all (his mouthing of the Lord's Prayer at his wedding would seem to be the strongest support for any religious feeling), yet he's just as capable of virulent anti-queer violence as anyone. I'd argue that the cultural roots of Ennis's homophobia are religious, but no homophobe or gay basher need be actively or consciously religious (in fact, many are not).
Scott6373:
--- Quote from: moremojo on January 09, 2008, 02:18:49 pm ---I agree that all topics raised here are interesting and relevant in themselves, while recognizing the importance of not veering too far from the topic of this particular thread (my apologies for having contributed to that). I just thought I'd note, in light of my own comments, that Ennis doesn't seem to be particularly religious, if at all (his mouthing of the Lord's Prayer at his wedding would seem to be the strongest support for any religious feeling), yet he's just as capable of virulent anti-queer violence as anyone. I'd argue that the cultural roots of Ennis's homophobia are religious, but no homophobe or gay basher need be actively or consciously religious (in fact, many are not).
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I never gave that a thought before now. Maybe that would make a good discusion for another thread. "Do you think Ennis would have been capable of violence against gays?"
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: moremojo on January 09, 2008, 02:18:49 pm ---I agree that all topics raised here are interesting and relevant in themselves, while recognizing the importance of not veering too far from the topic of this particular thread (my apologies for having contributed to that). I just thought I'd note, in light of my own comments, that Ennis doesn't seem to be particularly religious, if at all (his mouthing of the Lord's Prayer at his wedding would seem to be the strongest support for any religious feeling), yet he's just as capable of virulent anti-queer violence as anyone. I'd argue that the cultural roots of Ennis's homophobia are religious, but no homophobe or gay basher need be actively or consciously religious (in fact, many are not).
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Indeed. I think serious involvement in any of the traditional mainline Protestant churches--not the Fred Phelps fringe but the old mainline denominations--would work against someone's becoming a gay basher. While certain of these denominations are struggling over the full inclusion of gays in the life of the church, I think they all would condemn anti-gay violence. I guess even the Roman Catholic church would be against anti-gay violence, but that's not my tradition, so I don't much pay attention to the Roman church.
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