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TOTW 01/08: Do you think Jack was murdered or was it an accident?
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: garycottle on January 11, 2008, 04:45:16 pm ---Thank you for expounding on your views, ineedcrayons. I saw in an earlier post you revealed that you had been called a homophobe over at IMDb for expressing your views about this issue. I'd like to say that I don't think you're a homophobe, and I don't think you should have been called that.
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Thanks, Gary. Well, as you know, there were only four people actively participating in that debate at IMDb, two on each "side," and the two on the accident side were straight and the two on the murder side were gay. One person (not Gary) equated calling Jack's fictional death an accident with denying the existence of anti-gay hate crimes in real life, so when things got heated the word "homophobe" was just waiting to be drawn into the conversation.
People here are so much more polite! But also, I was wondering whether here, with more people posting, there'd be any correlation between the accident people and the straight people, and the murder people and the gay people. I think I perceive a slight trend that way, but it's more complex and varied. There are also gay-accident folks and straight-murder folks.
Here's a case, though, where one's life experiences may affect the way one interprets BBM (as they do, to some extent, with any story).
Brown Eyes:
--- Quote from: ineedcrayons on January 11, 2008, 04:34:56 pm ---In the accident scenario, Jack's truck trouble early in the movie could be seen as foreshadowing his death. When they leave the mountain, Ennis helps him with it, but in the end, Ennis isn't there to help him.
And in between, Jack helps Randall with HIS truck trouble.
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OOooooooooooo, this is quite excellent Crayons! I've always thought LaShawn's comments to Jack during their dance was foreshadowing of his death... I love these observations about his even earlier truck troubles and Ennis's involvment.
moremojo:
--- Quote from: bradINblue on January 11, 2008, 05:00:45 pm ---Randall is the 'unnamed ranch foreman'.
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That is certainly the name that McMurtry and Ossana assigned him, but this tenuous character remains unnamed in Proulx's story.
Penthesilea:
--- Quote from: garycottle on January 11, 2008, 06:46:19 pm ---I've noticed that many people who feel Jack may have been murdered say it is their impression that Lureen is lying to Ennis when she speaks to him on the phone. I've never interpreted that scene in that way. I've always assumed that Lureen believed what she told Ennis, but of course she may not have known what really happened.
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I'm missing some pages of the discussion, will catch up with the whole thing later. I just wanted to say that these perception by many Brokies is probably assured by Ang Lee's comments. He repeatedly said in interviews Lureen is clearly lying on the phone with Ennis.
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: garycottle on January 11, 2008, 06:46:19 pm ---Just for the record I'd like to say that I don't know what to think about Jack's death. I don't know what to believe. When I read the story or watch the film I'm always left puzzled by Jack's death. I don't feel I was given an answer. In other words, I'm one of those people who think "if you're not confused here, then you really don't know what's going on." (If anyone knows the origin of that quote please tell me because I use it all the time.)
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Oh, that's right, Gary. Sorry for oversimplifying your position in that IMDb debate. :) There were two accident people, one murder person, and you were arguing primarily for ambiguity, right?
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