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TOTW 01/08: Do you think Jack was murdered or was it an accident?

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Artiste:
I am waiting... with hugs too!!

Let us all be frank now. Continue to do so.

This thread is far from finished. Why be blind to not let it continue?

Hugs!!  Be safe all gay men in this World!!

Katie77:

--- Quote from: Artiste on January 13, 2008, 08:10:17 pm ---

Katie77, when I mention gay-bashing and other such subjects, not many want to hear it! Neither on Bettermost!

To me Jack was murdered... and not many seem to care about that!!

Awaiting your news from you and from all,

hugs!!

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I dont know what thread you are reading then Artiste, if you think the subject of gay bashing is being ignored, or that no one seems to care about the fact that Jack could have been murdered.......

There has been a lot of discussion (some a bit heated)....with opinions on the law enforcement procedures.....I am sure though, that everyone is of the same opinion about the epidemic of bashngs that is occurring throughout the world, none are tolerated whether they are gay bashings, wife bashings, child bashings or straight bashings.

These bashings are occurring, not because someone is gay, or straight,but because the perpetrators of these crimes are under the influence of drugs or alcohol, and that mixed with the group mentality, which often causes individuals to follow someone else's bad decisions, we are left with a cocktail of frenzied attacks on innocent people.

I sympathise with you gay guys who are afraid of being the victim of a gay bashing, but I assure you, straight guys or women are just as afraid, and with good reason....as a mother of two straight sons, I worry like hell when they go into the city, it is something that affects us all.

 I am not comparing gay bashing to straight bashing, or making out either one is less tragic or sinister than the other, it is all bad, all non-acceptable.....

Artiste:
Thanks Katie!

Of course bashing is bad. No females, no children, no males should be murdered in my book, but it does happen, and too much, and more and more it seems. These are facts!!

Murderings of gay men because they are gay... are facts!! So, that is a reality, since gay-bashing by straights or others happen. Some straight(s) will kill, by that I mean murder, gay men, because they do NOT want anyone else on earth besides straight men!!

One example is I, since 4 beat me up and left me for dead! I have broken bones... hard to sleep, etc., and why? These killers yelled we will kill you and burn you in your house; is that nice of them straights or others to do that?

Another example is a friend in Vancouver, whom I visited and I found out daily that he kept complaining about his new face, which is not the same at all since he was gay-bashed and left for dead too!! You would not want a gay person to defaced your sons, neither would I, be assured, and I figure that they have less chances of getting not beaten because they are straights? Surely so, I figure, unless you prove to me otherwise. Thanks, in advance.

If we do not talk really frank with real stories, then murderers of Ennis and Jacks will continue and florish!! Did Jack murder a straight, a gay, a bi- or other, because of their sexual identity or preference, I doubt it! Right! But he got surely murdered for being gay... I say!

Awaiting your news,

hugs!! (May gay men be safe in this World!!)

brokeplex:

--- Quote from: ineedcrayons on January 13, 2008, 06:07:45 pm ---
One thing I'd like to point out is that you can be fully aware of the real-world threat of anti-gay violence and yet fully believe Jack died by accident. Fictional plots generally aren't based on the likelihood that something or other would happen in real life (or, at least, not primarily on that), but on what best expresses the author's themes and imagination and the needs of the story.



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I agree with what you have just said. This particular fictional plot lends itself to ambiguity, especially in the scene where Ennis learns the news of Jack's death. My statement above was not meant to be taken that I believed that one MUST believe that Jack was murdered or one is insensitive to gay bashings. Far from it.

What I have stated is simply my own personal take on both the short story and the film.

Artiste:
How many gay bashing in this movie??

Anyone dare to count??

Will that prove Jack was murdered??

Hugs!!

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