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TOTW 01/08: Do you think Jack was murdered or was it an accident?
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on January 08, 2008, 04:49:28 pm ---Hmm. I wonder if Ennis could have been projecting onto Jack his own feelings that he, himself, deserves it? :-\ :(
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Another good thought, Jeff!
Geez, there really aren't any throwaway lines in this, are there? (Said for the 14,529th time.)
southendmd:
--- Quote from: ineedcrayons on January 08, 2008, 04:44:27 pm ---In one way, Ennis really DID think Jack deserved it -- well, deserved it might be too strong a word. But Ennis felt that what he and Jack were doing was wrong. And by stepping out with the ranchman's wife, whom we really know was a man, Jack was doing something that, if it didn't deserve killing, at the very least could easily lead to killing.
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Yes, Katherine, certainly in Ennis's mind.
--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on January 08, 2008, 04:49:28 pm ---Hmm. I wonder if Ennis could have been projecting onto Jack his own feelings that he, himself, deserves it? :-\ :(
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Yeah, Jeff, that's exactly what a projection is. Ennis is projecting his own fears, self-loathing, homophobia.
moremojo:
--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on January 08, 2008, 04:49:28 pm ---Hmm. I wonder if Ennis could have been projecting onto Jack his own feelings that he, himself, deserves it? :-\ :(
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Ennis threatened to kill Jack himself upon discovering the trips to Mexico, and their intimations of Jack's true queerness. From Ennis's point of view at that time in his life, queers deserved killing; if Ennis came to see or admit his own queerness, then logically he must have felt deserving of such a fate too. Certainly, Ennis's threats and maledictions would have haunted him after Jack's death; in some way or other, Ennis must have felt responsible for it.
It's interesting to consider that Jack's death may alone have freed Ennis from his violent impulses towards queer men, when he reflected that the love of his life may have been torn from him by an act of gay bashing. This would further bolster the sense that Jack's death was a sacrifice.
Kerry:
--- Quote from: moremojo on January 08, 2008, 05:51:05 pm ---Ennis threatened to kill Jack himself upon discovering the trips to Mexico, and their intimations of Jack's true queerness. From Ennis's point of view at that time in his life, queers deserved killing; if Ennis came to see or admit his own queerness, then logically he must have felt deserving of such a fate too. Certainly, Ennis's threats and maledictions would have haunted him after Jack's death; in some way or other, Ennis must have felt responsible for it.
It's interesting to consider that Jack's death may alone have freed Ennis from his violent impulses towards queer men, when he reflected that the love of his life may have been torn from him by an act of gay bashing. This would further bolster the sense that Jack's death was a sacrifice.
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Beautifully expressed. :'( :'( :'(
SFEnnisSF:
--- Quote from: garycottle on January 08, 2008, 08:16:23 am ---The tragedy still remains even if Jack was killed by gay bashers. Ennis pushed Jack away because he thought by doing so he was saving Jack. But, if Jack was gay bashed, what Ennis did was make him face the enemy alone. Which is the tragedy of the closet. In hiding from our haters, we also hide from one another, so when trouble comes, we stand alone. If Jack was intentionally killed, Ennis was not right in refusing that sweet life, because if Ennis had been there, he may have been able to save Jack. No matter how Jack died, Ennis may have been able to do something if he had been there. That's the tragedy.
Gay people face real dangers. And so gay people are afraid. Both of these things are awful, but the tragedy lies in how we let these things keep us from banding together.
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Even today, in 2008, you can go onto any online gay dating site, and you will find profiles of men who don't show their face, or have no photo. The fear is still very much out there.
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