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TOTW 01/08: Do you think Jack was murdered or was it an accident?
LauraGigs:
--- Quote from: delalluvia ---Would he have? In a situation where both were suspect in in a dangerous, confrontational situation, would Ennis have risen to the occasion? Or would he have been paralyzed by fear? Or not wanting to align himself with Jack in front of others - so as to be considered a 'boy like him'? We hear about Rich and Earl. Earl got killed. Where was his lover? Did he stand up for his lover? Or not? Would Ennis have been another Rich?
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Would Ennis had defended Jack if he were with him? Absolutely.
The way that deleted scene played out though, the attackers waited until Jack was alone. What would Randall (or Rich, or Ennis) be able to do at that point? Standing out on Main Street after the fact yelling, "I'm here, I'm queer!" would accomplish nothing.
Brokeback_Dev:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on January 08, 2008, 08:33:30 pm ---Well said Crayons.
Not to be a party pooper, but to comment on some postings that say "If Ennis had been there - opened himself up - he would have been able to save Jack."
Would he have? In a situation where both were suspect in in a dangerous, confrontational situation, would Ennis have risen to the occasion? Or would he have been paralyzed by fear? Or not wanting to align himself with Jack in front of others - so as to be considered a 'boy like him'? We hear about Rich and Earl. Earl got killed. Where was his lover? Did he stand up for his lover? Or not? Would Ennis have been another Rich?
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You know del, I think they would have both been killed. Ennis had no power or control over Jack's death, whether he was there or not. If Jack was murdered by the men with the tire irons, then they maybe would have murder him too. Or left him lonely llikke he ended up anyway having loved adn lost
Brown Eyes:
--- Quote from: LauraGigs on January 08, 2008, 08:39:35 pm ---What's interesting here is the wording: "All them things that I don't know could get you killed if I come to know them."
Awfully flowery language from a Wyoming ranch hand (although luckily it's delivered so well that it works).
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My favorite thing about Ennis's big threat about Mexico in that fight is how totally and completely un-intimidated Jack is by Ennis's bluster. Jack just pushes right back with his own issues and complaints. I love that.
Brokeback_Dev:
--- Quote from: atz75 on January 08, 2008, 08:51:54 pm ---
My favorite thing about Ennis's big threat about Mexico in that fight is how totally and completely un-intimidated Jack is by Ennis's bluster. Jack just pushes right back with his own issues and complaints. I love that.
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Thats a very good point. Ennis wasnt gonna get over on Jack with his threats or jealousies.. Jack was not loyal to Ennis, but Ennis was too ashamed of himself to find out if there was something or somebody else to keep him happy. And we all know it wasnt Cassie.
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: LauraGigs on January 08, 2008, 08:39:35 pm ---What's interesting here is the wording: "All them things that I don't know could get you killed if I come to know them."
Awfully flowery language from a Wyoming ranch hand (although luckily it's delivered so well that it works).
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Flowery? :laugh: Personally, I thought it was pretty ignorant and phrased so awkwardly as to be unbelievable had Heath not been as good an actor as he is to pull that out of his teeth and make it seem real.
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