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TOTW 01/08: Do you think Jack was murdered or was it an accident?
Scott6373:
--- Quote from: moremojo on January 09, 2008, 12:39:35 pm ---This raises the potent critical question of how much validity we should give to the deleted scenes in relation to the finished, released film. I don't think we should necessarily give any credence to any deleted scene in terms of arriving at an interpretation of the film as it now stands. It is clear, though, that many others will choose otherwise, which may be one reason that Lee and/or Schamus (and others?) have chosen not to include them on any of the approved DVD releases.
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I quite agree with you namesake. The deleted scenes can only be taken into consideration when discussing how their inclusion would have changed the film that we know. To actually base critical thinking on them does the actual finished work of art a disservice IMO.
ifyoucantfixit:
"Sure enough." The movie is the movie is. You cant really add other parts and truthfully claim it is legitimate, IMO.
I always thougth the real knowledge came to Lureen when Ennis told her, they were herding sheep up on Brokeback one summer...She put two and two together. That was where Jack's saying it was his favorite place, came
from, and why he wanted to be buried there...What gave him his need to drink...I think that told her all she needed to know..Thus the tiny squeek and the tears welling in her eyes....poor thing. She lost him yet again. This time
completely, with no doubts to hold onto.
Artiste:
Thanks moremojo!
I see how certain religions are anti-gay unfortunately! As you say... and stated some.
Last night, I watched again for the second time on TV, the singer Freddie Mercury's life (born Bulsara)! Again, it said that in his youth in India, the religion of his parents or of his area was anti-homosexual!! So he studied in a Catholic or another religious private school? Even his straight pal did not know that Mercury as gay... and to-day wonders how Mercury could have stood those times in a straight religious school as a boarder. Bulsara went to England... after, and formed Queen as a group. Popular, he went to live in New York City, where I did meet him I think (because I had my art studio since I create my own paintings) near Gay and Christopher Streets... and he was always happy. He always refused publically to say that he was gay... to news media. I remember that his concert in Toronto was cancelled since I was outside there when many of the spectators refused to leave and started nearly a riot... so police was called from all over the city!! Guess he was with AIDS then in the 80's. He did an AIDS concert then on the 80's. From his perspective, I think he was afraid to mention his was gay because of religion(s). It was only before the last day of his death, that he mentioned that he was dying to his sister. Since I see that he tried to make his life (and by that others) happy, yes gay, religion(s) I guess do not want that?? !! Religion(s) want people sad, so to overpower them, so to make money, etc.??
There are some persons who uses such religion thought (as to murder gay men beceause they are gay). Which (such murders) is wrong, since it is against humanity! I say!
There are also other persons who are non-religious who are good persons, but some are bad too being anti-gay!!
Of course, some religious persons are also against murdering gay men!!
Why is this (such murders or thoughts of violence against gay men) in the BM movie or Annie's story??
Why? Is it because gay men are somewhat cutting-edge for love, as for humanity?? Being a gay man, I loved life!!
Jack murder (and of another gay man) is accented in the BM movie, why?
Hugs!!
"Joseph Golden":
My first interpretation of the film was Jack died in a accident.
Jack was allways a fuck up, i mean he never could do anything right. He could rodeo, he couldn't please his father, he couldn't work out how to pee when he was younger. He couldn't make a marriage work, he couldn't get another guy. Most importantly he couldn't have Ennis the way he wanted him. They only thing Jack Succeeded in was bringing Ennis from the dark. To only lose him again.....
His explained the accident like she was telling a story of someones death, at first no emotion.
How can blame her for being bitter, cold and harsh. She married a fuck up. A men that loved another man. Which she never found put about. So all she has in the world was business, a son that was a fuck up like his dad.
She was telling a men she had heard a lot about the way her husband dies. A men that was selfish enough to take her husband away, a men that never came to Jack. She would have loathed this men. But.......
She realises that Ennis Del Mar is more than a friend. She realises this by the way he talks, The emotion he shares with her over the phone. If you listen to just Ennis talking. Its amazing what you hear? :-\
The accident it self is hard to believe, Impossible No way
Than theres the Murder scenario
Ennis feared his whole life, He lived in fear. Fear drove him. It controlled. The news of Jack brings on these images because thats what happens to country gay men. Ennis leaned this at a young age. Thats when the fear began.
So first, Ennis hearing this unbelievable story with Jack's wife being so cold. This causes Ennis to have these first images. Why?
Thats what he believes, Thats all he knows happens to Gay men. The tire iron.........
Then when Ennis sees Jacks "Life" this unravels a side to Jack, Ennis feared. He wasn't Jealous as much of he feared Jack sleeping with Mexico boys.
But when he hears about this new fella, he realises that Jack had made a stupid mistake that Ennis tried to warn him about. Ennis knew this and so did we.
As much as i wish it was a accident,
I think Jack was murdered
ifyoucantfixit:
I am terribly sorry Artiste. But I dont think everything that happens in your life or mine either for that
matter, is based on the gayness or anti gayness quotient...Some things are just the unfortunate way that things
happen or play out...No harm or insult or pain is intended toward gays or anyone specifically...Its just life...Unfortunately
bad things happen to good people...Its not always a conspiracy of hate or violence pointed toward anyone.
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