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TOTW 02/08: Was Lureen pregnant when she met Jack?
Artiste:
Thanks brokeplex, thanks LauraGigs, and thanks to others too!!
Some of Lureen's actions are very impulsive, like Jack is at times so too!! (They have that in common, for a good relationship, at least!! Both of you commented and you have my thanks!!
Brokeplex: I wish I had your talent brokeplex to explain, as brilliantly as you did. Thanks!
LauraGigs, I like your frankness. It remains that society does not accept my actions nor Lureen's, then nor now too??
If I can do it, I know that Lureen can do it, you are saying LauraGigs; I agree with you!! But in the straight world, the mating game does not usually accepts that, right, neither from me nor from Lureen!! At least, society is changing... and we can hope, and act for it to change for better of all humans!!
May I say:
Lureen likely knew the other men at that bar, and even if she was cruised by them or some, she preferred NOT TO BE CRUISED since she is like her father, agressive!! She does NOT want an agressive man like them!!
Jack is not agressive towards her, but likes her delicious smile, her ladyship-ways, her physique too surely because she is sexy in more than one way, very attractive and modernly expensively dressed, etc.; she is a catch or will be... by most. Since she does not know Jack yet, she has an amiable eye for him, for many reasons, as he is sexy, her height desire, manly dressed, beautiful eyes, helpful picking up her hat and civilized doing so, - and much more, since she is intelligent, knowledgeable about men having worked in her father $ high class bussiness, and Jack to her is something great to capture!!
Jack she knows will move her... in wondrous ways for her plan as a potential husband, since that is her aim!!
If a man was gay, she would know, as she is no fool; she has maybe gaydar sensing Jack is gay or bi, lilely! She has a secret and she knows that her secret will be kept since Jack has his own secret; so, she finds the perfect man for her in order to keep her secret to herself (since only her mother likely knows - and maybe her father via her mother- too); she does keep secrets, right??
She does not tell Jack when she mates him sexually, she does not have to do so even thought she is pregnant already but she only has a bit of time before her pregnancy shows to the general public. Her mother knows about it already, surely; and, maybe told her daughter: get married now and soonest!! To see Jack then at the rodeo where she happilly dropped her hat to him ( as ladies did in the monarchy courts) is something, an effort to say to Jack hello sexy?? !! -
And to immediately chase after Jack is something, refusing another more masculine and tall man at that bar is something too, but for her to swim to Jack at that bar and oblige him to dance with him is very much mating, like her same agressiveness with sex is essential with Jack immediately after, so he would think that he is or maybe the father of that futur son, since no rubbers was used so quickly enhanced was that sexual action; Jack was surprised, but she was not surpised since she had him planned as her plan!!
She is lesbian, discovered that in college, may I add?
Of course, Jack cooperates; he does not know that she is lesbian... not right now. Will her later??
Wow, what a movie about guys and girls, and sweet sex!!
Awaiting your news,
hugs, hugs!!
Brown Eyes:
I think the reason that Lureen and Jack were attracted to one another... and that they seemed to function rather well as friends is that they both do not fit the gender norms/ gender expectations for their time.
Lureen wants to be a successful business woman. And, she wants to choose her mate for herself and according to her own standards (not her father's) and according to her own timing in initiating the interaction between herself and Jack in the bar. She does try to flirt more subtly from across the room (by making eye-contact, etc.), but this doesn't seem to work with Jack. So, she decides to become more aggressive. I definitely applaud Lureen for following her own urges and timing. Etc.
I truly don't see any evidence in BBM to support the idea that Lureen was a lesbian. As a gay woman myself, I would definitely have enjoyed seeing gay-female culture included in BBM on some level. But, I really don't believe that it was.
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: LauraGigs on January 17, 2008, 02:52:06 am ---WHY, then, do people think that a woman initiating sex is such a radical, immoral thing?
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That's what I was alluding to in my earlier post. I don't like to throw around the word "sexist" (though, oops, I guess I just did) but I am troubled that people hold Lureen's assertiveness against her. This applies not only to her behavior with Jack but her commitment to her work. Yes, her bold moves with Jack and, later, her career drive may have been unusual in 1960s small-town Texas. So if people want to call Lureen unusual, fine. But some don't -- some call her a slut (in so many words), aggressive, pushy, a bad wife, a bad mother, a cold woman, a wife who wants to "wear the pants," etc. All of these are genuinely offensive to a 21st century feminist who believes Lureen's behavior would -- or at least should -- be perfectly normal and acceptable now. An anachronism for her time? Maybe. But genuinely wrong or mean or irresponsible or immoral? No way.
I'm not addressing this speficially to Artiste, who I believe actually presented softer views than some I've seen expressed. Occasionally I am shocked at what I have seen written about a woman who, as far as I can tell, only did two things wrong in her life:
1) eavesdropped on some customers calling her husband an unflattering name and failed to burst in and leap to his defense, even though doing so may have endangered hundreds of thousands of dollars in sales for the company.
2) Forgot to call Bobby's teacher.
Well, three if you count choosing a bad hair color.
--- Quote from: atz75 on January 17, 2008, 01:13:53 pm ---I think the reason that Lureen and Jack were attracted to one another... and that they seemed to function rather well as friends is that they both do not fit the gender norms/ gender expectations for their time.
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I think this is true. They functioned well as friends, and Jack was actually attracted to Lureen on some level -- not in a sexual way, but more like intrigued by her boldness and attractiveness (and money).
However, over time their relationship stops working even in this way. Lureen gets more and more frustrated, as expressed in her hair color and clothes, and Jack eventually complains about her work habits and says they could do their marriage over the phone. Well yeah -- maybe that has something to do with his lack of romantic or sexual interest in her.
Brown Eyes:
Yes, clearly their relationship gets strained over time (and for numerous reasons probably). But, I think deep down Jack and Lureen loved each other very much in their own way.
moremojo:
--- Quote from: ineedcrayons on January 17, 2008, 01:54:53 pm ---Well, three if you count choosing a bad hair color
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Four if you count her cool, catty retort to Lashawn when informed of the latter's college sorority. Heck, five if you include her pointed, barbed question to Jack in the same sequence.
Truth be told, Lureen has never struck me as a particularly nice person, which isn't the same, admittedly, as a bad person, which I do not see her as. She was, like all the other characters, all too human, flaws and all.
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