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Artiste:
Thanks brokebackjack!

May I say that I am not so sure that Jack is dead; that one, his death, we can believe; one can also think that he is alive and not dead even if the movie seems to tell us that: his passing away!!

I may have a proof... that Jack is still alive at the end of the movie. At least, I think Jack is alive and someone framed his death in that BM movie.

Hugs!

brokebackjack:
Artiste, what do you see in the film which makes you think that  Jack remains alive? I'm really interested here. You have a view of things which is 'outside the box'.

People with no box can see things others don't but even without a box I don't see jack as being alive. It would negate the meaning and tragedy of the story.

So I'd really like to know what leads you to think this

Jack

brokeplex:

--- Quote from: brokebackjack on January 19, 2008, 07:10:20 pm ---Well, in the story as written Jack is really dead. Really, Most Sincerely dead. As dead as if a house had fallen on his head or he had melted Artiste.

Jack's dead.

That was the crux which  made Brokeback great. It was concieved of as a Greek tragedy in short story format

--- End quote ---

Truly a great short story and film.

For me the tragedy is just a great if Jack lived and had just given up on Ennis. If Jack refused to see Ennis again, Jack would still be just as dead for Ennis as if Jack had physically died. The "Greek Tragedy" analogy is interesting, but I think the greatness of both the film and the short story is in their deadon explanation of what the "tragedy" of the closet is really all about.

Artiste:
Thanks brokeplex, and thanks brokebackjack!!

Brokeplex, I will reply later, since that is heavy for me to think about... right now.

Brokebackjack:
Since you asked brokebackjack, I really think that Jack is alive still at the end of the BM movie... but that is a secret told or untold??

I think that maybe Lureen tells us that Jack is still alive (or nearly dead); that is what I think so far. She seems to hint that somehow, I feel. Maybe that is what that actress feels? Or the director wanted? Or the screen writers wanted? Or another wanted? It seems to be there, in many ways.

I can not help but think that, I awake now more than once in my bed, and think about it many days! But to find out, especially, you have to see Lureen in another light; but nobody wants to see that from what I note even on Bettermost; some or maybe one did, but was not understood and so he went away on another site, I am told; but he had another view much different than mine, I seem to think and note.

To see that Jack is still maybe alive... you have to place your light on Lureen: HOW do you think?

Hugs!!

brokebackjack:
Brokeplex, Greek tragedy is not my idea, it is what Annie did. She has said this publicly in forums and privately to people here on both BM and the DCF. It is a tragedy, Attic in all essentials, which could have been but is not in a play form since she doesn't really know how to write a play. She used those principles in the format she is master of, the short story.

 bbm is the first successful--brilliantly successful--case where any english language author managed to achieve this. Again, bbm is completely, completely based on classical principles. Tragedy is its ESSENCE. The characters are destroyed by their own flaws.

If you do not get this you miss many clues, many lessons. You can miss the forest for the trees.

 THINK GREEK.

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