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Was Lureen a lesbian or bi, maybe?
moremojo:
--- Quote from: Artiste on January 17, 2008, 10:04:14 pm ---What's putatively?
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'Putatively' means 'assumably' or 'supposedly'. When something is said to be putative, it means that it is commonly accepted to be true.
I am curious, Artiste, if you can provide specific examples from the text of the story or the body of the film to support your argument that Lureen may have been lesbian or bisexual. I am dubious of any interpretations that arise out of speculations that the short story or film do not themselves support.
Artiste:
Thanks moremojo, thanks souxi, thanks LauraGigs, Kd5000, thanks Lucise, thanks louise van han!!
Did Lureen hide the reality that she was a lesbian or bi-sexual?? I think that she did and she did not; both so far, that I think, at my stage of thinking and research.
I am not well versed in composing like you are, and will need your help to find facts in the BM movie and/ or Annie's book!! Plus, some extensions...as to circumstanctial evidence and other facts, as to her life.
I envisage that some of you will realize that you did proof already in some ways... by re-read what you said, but did not realize that as a possible proof or search evidence, as you did on other threads!!
It seems to me, hope that I am wrong, that many persons, do NOT want to talk about lesbianism nor bi-sexuality!! I know that it hurts at times... to think that; I figure that that hurted Lureen too!! In many ways She did cope subconciously and consciouly, with that in many wondrous ways, at the different times in her life (which also tells me that possibly that Jack is still alive - but that will be said later on in more details!!)
I think that she is a great individual: a lady, a mother, a spouse, a social person too!! I accept her totally as lesbian, bisexual, heterosexual, and maybe other too as that could be too!! Wow, you say!!
I am glad that she did live her life as somewhat and what she wanted!! I accept that totally in the times she was then and in the time we are now (2008)... in our democratic societies.
I do believe that the BM movie tells us, about her being lesbian as well as bisexual; plus heterosexual as putatively if I may use moremojo's word; other sexual orientations, maybe - but I am not there yet!! ??
Existential is her life... like Jack; can that be one clue?
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Let's start with this? And as you want. With this maybe: Could it be possible:
--- Quote ---Did Lureen hide the reality that she was a lesbian or bi-sexual??
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Hugs!!
louisev:
there is no evidence at all, Artiste.
Also, note that Lureen was little more than a name in the short story. And her character is developed only as part of the screenplay. Neither Lureen nor Alma in the screenplay, or the story, were portrayed in any way has homosexual, or bisexual.
In order to make this theory, you would have to have a basis for it. There is no basis for it. We know Jack and Ennis are gay because they HAD SEX IN THE STORY. The same would have to happen if you make that claim about other characters. And it didn't.
Artiste:
Thanks louise van hine!
To quote you: There is no basis for it.
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Louise, may I say that there is a basis. It needs to be proven... started firstly.
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To quote you again:
--- Quote ---We know Jack and Ennis are gay because they HAD SEX IN THE STORY. The same would have to happen if you make that claim about other characters. And it didn't.
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Louise, I think that there is a possibility that Lureen had sex with another or others females. The BM movie seems to show that too!! In more ways than one... even.
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Want some clue? Eying!!?? as one??
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Hugs!!
louisev:
--- Quote from: Artiste on January 18, 2008, 07:25:35 pm ---Thanks louise van hine!
To quote you: There is no basis for it.
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Louise, may I say that there is a basis. It needs to be proven... started firstly.
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To quote you again:
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Louise, I think that there is a possibility that Lureen had sex with another or others females. The BM movie seems to show that too!! In more ways than one... even.
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Want some clue? Eying!!?? as one??
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Hugs!!
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I don't need to prove it, Artiste. You do. What "possibility"? there is no possibility. If Ang Lee wanted to create a subplot about Lureen having relationships with women there would be some evidence of it. the interaction between Lureen and the other woman she met is not evidence.
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