Brokeback Mountain: Our Community's Common Bond > Heath Ledger Remembrance Forum
Do you think your life will change now?
souxi:
--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on January 25, 2008, 12:04:35 am ---I'm not quite sure how to take this comment. ??? I don't want to read too much into it, but quite frankly I feel vaguely like I'm being accused of something, but I'm not exactly sure what. That I don't know that the film makers, cast included, know that Brokeback Mountain has inspired passion in its fans?
Nobody, me included, said anything about ignoring the film, nor about no longer discussing it. And I certainly didn't say that there was anything wrong with the passion the film has inspired. Nor would I say there is anything wrong with continuing to discuss Heath's artistry or his performance. But in light of the sobering slap of reality of Heath's death, some of the things that have been discussed--argued--about the characters of this film over the past two years no longer seem to matter to me. And to continue to argue over issues such as as the old debate over whether Ennis and Jack were gay or bisexual, for example, just doesn't seem right to me. It just seems somehow disrespectful and maybe even a bit vulgar.
But by all means we should honor Heath by continuing to admire his performance and his artistry. I never said we shouldn't.
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I have said it before and I,ll say it again. I,m in full agreement with you Jeff. It really doesn,t matter any more does it? If Jack and Ennis were bi or gay, or if Jack was really murdered etc. Who cares? I won,t say that I,ve sat and howled my eyes out, because havn,t. I,ve had tears in my eyes, certainly, but, today, all day, I,ve just been really down in the dumps and I just can,t shake it off. I didn,t even know Heath, and never would, but it,s just so sad. :'( RIP brown eyes. xxxxx
Brown Eyes:
It's really interesting to watch our community go through this grieving process together. As a group experience (here online at least... probably alone a lot in real life).
We'll go through all the different stages of grief together too I think. Shock, sadness (maybe a bit of depression), anger, irritability...
(I'm not actually 100% sure of all the technical stages). But at the end, we'll move through the grief and hopefully find some healing and acceptance together. It's amazing how much this theme of grief really is a major Brokeback theme. And, I think all of us have learned a lot about the concept of grief through all our attention to Brokeback.
As I said in chat last night... I think there will be a "new normal" around here following this huge event.
And, Elle, yes, I completely agree with what you said and your example from chat last night. We all need to go through this process on our own terms to a certain extent. And, it will simply be interesting to witness all of our different processes as they become evident here at BetterMost. We'll need to be patient with each other when we differ in how we're each responding to the grief in different ways. And, I'm sure our individual responses will evolve a bit as time goes on too.
Luvlylittlewing:
--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on January 25, 2008, 12:04:35 am ---I'm not quite sure how to take this comment. ??? I don't want to read too much into it, but quite frankly I feel vaguely like I'm being accused of something, but I'm not exactly sure what. That I don't know that the film makers, cast included, know that Brokeback Mountain has inspired passion in its fans?
Nobody, me included, said anything about ignoring the film, nor about no longer discussing it. And I certainly didn't say that there was anything wrong with the passion the film has inspired. Nor would I say there is anything wrong with continuing to discuss Heath's artistry or his performance. But in light of the sobering slap of reality of Heath's death, some of the things that have been discussed--argued--about the characters of this film over the past two years no longer seem to matter to me. And to continue to argue over issues such as as the old debate over whether Ennis and Jack were gay or bisexual, for example, just doesn't seem right to me. It just seems somehow disrespectful and maybe even a bit vulgar.
But by all means we should honor Heath by continuing to admire his performance and his artistry. I never said we shouldn't.
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Jeff, I didn't mean to offend. I'm so distraught over Heath's death that perhaps I shouldn't comment until I get myself together. I would never accuse you of anything -- that is not my intention. I really want to apologize to you. Please forgive me. I suppose I read your post and thought that you wouldn't want to discuss the movie anymore, and I became rather upset, as I really enjoy your writing. As I said, I should really refrain from making comments until my head is clearer. Again, I apologize, and I hope I'm making sense.
Luvlylittlewing:
--- Quote from: ineedcrayons on January 25, 2008, 12:28:23 am ---Jeff, I don't want to speak for littlewing, but I see she's offline right now and you're on, so I'm just going to jump in and say I know her quite well from imdb and she's one of Brokiedom's nicest people -- not the accusing kind. I suspect she was just being supportive of Heath.
Littlewing, please let me know if I've mischaracterized your post.
I see what you're saying, Jeff, about the difference between discussing the movie and arguing about relatively trivial differences of opinion about this or that detail or nuance. I think for some people, those debates are the lifeblood of their discussions, and they don't necessarily see them as a negative or disrespectful. But I can see where it would make some people -- you, among others, I'm sure -- uncomfortable as being trivial topics in the wake of a real-life tragedy. We all have to grieve/mourn/memorialize/recover in our own ways, I guess.
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Thanks, Babe. You're right. I didn't mean to accuse Jeff of anything, I would never do that. If I said something wrong it came from my head, not from my heart. I already apologized to jeff, and I hope he forgives me.
And thanks for trying to clarify things. I really appreciate it.
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: littlewing1957 on January 25, 2008, 06:38:11 pm ---Jeff, I didn't mean to offend. I'm so distraught over Heath's death that perhaps I shouldn't comment until I get myself together. I would never accuse you of anything -- that is not my intention. I really want to apologize to you. Please forgive me. I suppose I read your post and thought that you wouldn't want to discuss the movie anymore, and I became rather upset, as I really enjoy your writing. As I said, I should really refrain from making comments until my head is clearer. Again, I apologize, and I hope I'm making sense.
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--- Quote from: littlewing1957 on January 25, 2008, 06:41:46 pm ---Thanks, Babe. You're right. I didn't mean to accuse Jeff of anything, I would never do that. If I said something wrong it came from my head, not from my heart. I already apologized to jeff, and I hope he forgives me.
And thanks for trying to clarify things. I really appreciate it.
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--- Quote from: ineedcrayons on January 25, 2008, 12:28:23 am ---she's one of Brokiedom's nicest people
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See what I mean? :-*
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