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The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus
Mikaela:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on February 07, 2010, 12:46:45 pm ---
I didn't think the desirable outcome of a rich consumer life was the moral of the story. I have high heels, don't you? I shop, don't you? I don't have a husband and kids, but a lot of friends do. What Valentina had in her bag was a present for their daughter. Is buying a gift for one's child so materialistic? I don't think the moral of the story is to desire a rich consumer's life, but a normal life.
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A normal life, looking and dressing like a supermodel, apparently with enough cash to spend at high-fashion malls. Yeah, who wouldn't desire that kind of normalcy? *shrug* It undermines the critique of the "Tonys" of the world IMO.
--- Quote ---Allusions to Heath Ledger's character since he was first called "George" as in George Bush, then "Tony" as in Tony Blair and how Gilliam's personal opinion on politics also colored the character.
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This is interesting, I didn't know the Tony name came from Blair, but I find it very apt. Tony Blair increasingly proved himself to have exactly that smarmy, sleezy type of con-man charm and self-infatuation.
delalluvia:
SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
--- Quote from: Mikaela on February 07, 2010, 03:50:43 pm ---A normal life, looking and dressing like a supermodel, apparently with enough cash to spend at high-fashion malls. Yeah, who wouldn't desire that kind of normalcy? *shrug*
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There are all kinds of 'normal' lives. That was just one of them. Personally I didn't think Valentina looked like a supermodel and her dress at the end looked suburban and tacky awful, certainly not 'high fashion'.
--- Quote ---It undermines the critique of the "Tonys" of the world IMO.
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I didn't think so at all. She was a middle class woman meeting her husband and child at a nice restaurant to celebrate their child's birthday and she bought her child a toy.
Compared to Tony in his Armani suits, courting presidents, the extremely wealthy, the media and music industry for a charity that was a step to power, money and glory for him while being a cover for organ-selling from these homeless children?
The two aren't even close IMO.
--- Quote ---This is interesting, I didn't know the Tony name came from Blair, but I find it very apt. Tony Blair increasingly proved himself to have exactly that smarmy, sleezy type of con-man charm and self-infatuation.
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Dunno, I'd have to know more about British politics than I do.
Wayne:
re: Tony Blair, the newspaper headlines said
TONY LIAR
which looks a bit like Tony Blair.
Monika:
--- Quote from: Wayne on February 07, 2010, 05:56:28 pm ---re: Tony Blair, the newspaper headlines said
TONY LIAR
which looks a bit like Tony Blair.
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You got a good eye for details there.
Interesting and very apt comparison.
ifyoucantfixit:
On IMDb someone brought up the other interwoven thread of Gilliam's movie. The socio-political side of the movie. You might go and read it. It has something to do with the British government, the institutionalizing of charity, and even allusions to Heath Ledger's character since he was first called "George" as in George Bush, then "Tony" as in Tony Blair and how Gilliam's personal opinion on politics also colored the character.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MY SPOILERS
I personally think that is a very astute observation. Since I tried not to place SPOILERS in my comments, I just gave my opions only. I thought that
Johnny Depp most captiured Heaths character and way of moving and smiling, sort of beguilingly. He was an extension of the character. You were as yet
unable to see the true depth of his evil underneath.
The other thing that no one has mentioned is the flute in his throat. He kept it on his person at all times. Obviously he had needed it many time, in
order to keep it so handy all the time.
My take on the moral or point if you will was not so much that the consumer life is the desired one. Rather that some people are always wishing
they could run away from home, and join the Circus. While in this case it is probably true, that many people in the Circus with all its daily grind and
never ending turmoil desire to run away from the Circus, and have a normal and quiet life.
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