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As Easter nears, no Easter in Annie's story or the BM movie?? But??
Front-Ranger:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on March 21, 2008, 01:32:29 pm ---This is interesting because I just read this in my favorite cookbook A Taste of Ancient Rome:
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Yes, that sounds like quite an interesting cookbook!
--- Quote from: delalluvia on March 21, 2008, 01:32:29 pm ---"...this beverage was...posca, a drink of vinegar or acidfied wine and water that is often mentioned in ancient sources. It was used for the military troops and considered to be refreshing and invigorating. With this in mind...according to...John 19:28-29...[Jesus said] '"I thirst". Now there was a vessel full of vinegar; and they filled a sponge with vinegar and put it upon hyssop and put it to his mouth...' This seemingly heartless action was therefore simply a gesture of compassion [by the soldiers] for a dying man..."
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Very interesting...the words of the Bible are certainly skewed often to suit the agenda of the times, aren't they? Now, I heard in great detail as a child about the terrible things that were done to Jesus to increase his suffering. All these anecdotes were gathered together under the heading of "The Passion of the Christ" and certain sects replay the whole thing as a ritual, and there was even a movie by Mel Gibson on the subject, which I didn't see. But the passages can be interpreted any number of ways, as can the Annie Proulx story. What I think we can agree on is that there are references to Christian and/or pre-Christian rituals and symbology in the story. I don't believe that Annie Proulx did this because she wanted to promote any kind of religious agenda at all. I think she was simply drawing upon a universal archetype as any good writer/storyteller would do. There are archtypes which transcend not only stories but whole religions, they are a part of our DNA in a way.
More after lunch...
Artiste:
Thanks delalluvia!
You say:
Now there was a vessel full of vinegar; and they filled a sponge with vinegar and put it upon hyssop and put it to his mouth...' This seemingly heartless action was therefore simply a gesture of compassion [by the soldiers] for a dying man..."
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None of that given to Jack? What kind of compassion did he get from the murderers who murdered him?
And what kind of compassion did the murderer(s) did give to the one gay man of those two old tough birds??
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Destiny is it Easter? What is it to you or as the BM movie?
Hugs! Happy Easter dellaluvia! And Happy Good Friday!
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: Artiste on March 21, 2008, 02:08:45 pm ---You say:
Now there was a vessel full of vinegar; and they filled a sponge with vinegar and put it upon hyssop and put it to his mouth...' This seemingly heartless action was therefore simply a gesture of compassion [by the soldiers] for a dying man..."
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None of that given to Jack? What kind of compassion did he get from the murderers who murdered him?
And what kind of compassion did the murderer(s) did give to the one gay man of those two old tough birds??
......
Destiny is it Easter? What is it to you or as the BM movie?
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I don't think Jack was murdered, so there's no issue there.
However, if you think Jack was murdered, then the answer is "None". No compassion at all was given Jack by his murderers which differs from the Jesus story and hence, another reason BBM is not like the Easter story.
Artiste:
Thanks delalluvia!
I understand more of what you say now.
So you think that maybe Annie accents that there is no compassion when murderers murder gay men just because these murdered are gays?
Does she warns us?
Hugs!
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: Artiste on March 21, 2008, 02:40:44 pm ---Thanks delalluvia!
I understand more of what you say now.
So you think that maybe Annie accents that there is no compassion when murderers murder gay men just because these murdered are gays?
Does she warns us?
Hugs!
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No. Proulx left the story ambiguous. She doesn't say Jack was murdered and she doesn't say he wasn't. So I don't think she was 'warning' us about anything other than the destructive nature of homophobic society on everyone.
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