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To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
optom3:
--- Quote from: Artiste on March 23, 2008, 07:16:21 pm ---Did anyone mention booze ??
Is that suppose to be fun ??
Hugs!
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I think the whisky is actually quite important.Initially Ennis drinks from his cup,but as the 2 become closer they just swig from the bottle,passing it from one to another.Ennis I think drinks from a cup the night of the bear incident.The next time we see them drinking they are bonding more and sharing the bottle.
I also think the whisky literally loosens Ennis up a bit,he becomes more talkative,smiles, and of course eventually becomes so drunk,that we have the wonderful TS1.
Whisky continues to form a part of their fishing trips.
I sometimes wonder, after the initial uncontrolable passion of the reunion kiss,where the physical takes over completely,whetherEnnis maybe needs a couple of drinks to loosen up and cope with the permanant guilt he feels.
He treads a thin line always between what he feels, and what he allows himself to feel.It could be that the whisky,and in a later scene,the joint,relax him sufficiently.to allow himself to "feel".
I am sure lots of us have used booze to relax us for many reasons.
Artiste:
So with the audience, it is NOT seen as funny parts... is booze??
But Ennis and Jack sees it as fun??
Hugs! When I see booze, I am always figuring: not funny, since I have seen too many of my friends died now from it!! I guess I rarely see boozing as fun!! ??
optom3:
--- Quote from: Artiste on March 23, 2008, 09:20:00 pm ---So with the audience, it is NOT seen as funny parts... is booze??
But Ennis and Jack sees it as fun??
Hugs! When I see booze, I am always figuring: not funny, since I have seen too many of my friends died now from it!! I guess I rarely see boozing as fun!! ??
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I can agree with that. Lureen says of Jack "he drank a lot" I think for Jack and Ennis whisky was a coping mechanism.With Ennis it loosened him up.freeing him somewhat.With Jack I think it was more drink to ease the pain.
Within the context of the film,I do feel there are some light hearted alcohol moments,such as Ennis stumbling over the pans.But on the whole I think the alcohol reveals deeper sadness than joy.As is often the case.It fills a an aching gap for both men that,Ennis will not allow himself to occupy.
Artiste:
Thanks optom!
You say:
I can agree with that. Lureen says of Jack "he drank a lot" I think for Jack and Ennis whisky was a coping mechanism.With Ennis it loosened him up.freeing him somewhat.With Jack I think it was more drink to ease the pain.
Within the context of the film,I do feel there are some light hearted alcohol moments,such as Ennis stumbling over the pans.But on the whole I think the alcohol reveals deeper sadness than joy.As is often the case.It fills a an aching gap for both men that,Ennis will not allow himself to occupy.
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Fiona (optom) may I agree.
To me since I am an artist-painter, what images comes to mind are these:
clowns -
a- they clown around with booze, giving a smile, but deep inside each is sad, unfortunately, most times!!
And they get to be more sad EVEN TOGETHER since booze makes one that way!! Booze gets you into deeper depression, but people think otherwise - a duality comes in the picture!! ??
b- also, Jack likes to be a special clown (and knows that as a tool as many alcoholics do) : a jester or a buffon (in French)?? Since, he is accustomed to booze (even before seing Ennis for the first time, maybe?) As a jester, he can entertain Ennis; Jack falls, trips, amuzes Ennis!! As to become a boon companion to Ennis!! Un bon vivant!! Full of life!! It shows too Jack's bounteous nature: generous, caring, amuzing, etc., to hide his sadness!! ??
So the clown role of Jack is funny?
Au revoir,
hugs!!
optom3:
--- Quote from: Artiste on March 23, 2008, 10:05:40 pm ---Thanks optom!
You say:
I can agree with that. Lureen says of Jack "he drank a lot" I think for Jack and Ennis whisky was a coping mechanism.With Ennis it loosened him up.freeing him somewhat.With Jack I think it was more drink to ease the pain.
Within the context of the film,I do feel there are some light hearted alcohol moments,such as Ennis stumbling over the pans.But on the whole I think the alcohol reveals deeper sadness than joy.As is often the case.It fills a an aching gap for both men that,Ennis will not allow himself to occupy.
.......
Fiona (optom) may I agree.
To me since I am an artist-painter, what images comes to mind are these:
clowns -
a- they clown around with booze, giving a smile, but deep inside each is sad, unfortunately, most times!!
And they get to be more sad EVEN TOGETHER since booze makes one that way!! Booze gets you into deeper depression, but people think otherwise - a duality comes in the picture!! ??
b- also, Jack likes to be a special clown (and knows that as a tool as many alcoholics do) : a jester or a buffon (in French)?? Since, he is accustomed to booze (even before seing Ennis for the first time, maybe?) As a jester, he can entertain Ennis; Jack falls, trips, amuzes Ennis!! As to become a boon companion to Ennis!! Un bon vivant!! Full of life!! It shows too Jack's bounteous nature: generous, caring, amuzing, etc., to hide his sadness!! ??
So the clown role of Jack is funny?
Au revoir,
hugs!!
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I agree,the classic image of the clown or buffoon,with his painted on smile hiding a sad heart.It is not a coincidence that so many kids are scared of clowns.Mine certainly used to be.There is something achingly sad almost ghoulish about them.Kids see things as they are and so are frightened.On the surface Jack clowning around is light hearted but I think hides a deeper sadness.Superficially it is funny,scratch deeper and it is truly deeply sad.
And yes just as the drinker use alcohol to mask his feelings so we have the anology with the clown and his mask.In the film all combine,the clown,alcohol and the ache.Jack initally uses his clown act to mask his true feelings for Ennis,which he has already acknowledged to himself.It is also an opportunity to introduce some levity to the situation,and try to break down some of Ennis's barriers.
Laughter is the best medicine,and it could be argued that Ennis is sick.Plagued by guilt for what he is starting to feel.So Jack tries to make him laugh.Also many people use alcohol as "medicine"
So many analogies.Clowns,masks,laughter,alcohol,medicine,all are intertwined so very subtely and so cleverly by Proulx.
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