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TOTW 08/08: What if they had lived together? Would Ennis's fears have allowed a
BlissC:
--- Quote from: atz75 on March 10, 2008, 02:24:53 pm ---Well, anyone who reads fanfic will know that this scenario is played out across dozens of different stories. In most cases after lots of angst, drama and complexities dealing with Ennis's fears, Jack's insecurities and issues with the community/family things work out through the strength of their love. So, at this stage it's sort of easy for me to imagine ways that it could work out. And, honestly, this is actually how I really imagine things might have worked out if Jack and Ennis had tried living together.
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The first BBM fanfic I read (in fact the first fanfic I ever read!) was MadLori's "Human Interest", (gradually working my way through everything else that's out there), so maybe I'm a little swayed by that version of the way things might have panned out, but I have to say that had things taken a different turn, either when they came down off Brokeback, or after Ennis's divorce (more likely after Ennis's divorce), I think they could have made it work. Ennis would have had some huge obstacles to cross, especially his childhood fears, and his protectiveness of Jack, and their lives would definitely have been complicated, but I like to think the strength of their love would have seen them through. Wishful thinking maybe, but as Amanda says, Ennis is so stubborn that I think that if only Jack could have persuaded him to make that first huge decision, Ennis would be so stubborn he'd *have to* make it work. He'd have done anything to make Jack happy, as he did right from the start up on Brokeback, and right from the start when Jack first spoke of his dream of a "sweet life", Ennis didn't say no, that he didn't want to, but that it wouldn't have worked because of the circumstances and his fear of the repercussions. Ennis wanted that sweet life too, but his fears stopped him from making that initial huge leap. If he'd been able to overcome that, who knows?
forsythia12:
--- Quote from: myprivatejack on March 10, 2008, 03:26:41 pm ---Above all,thanks to you Penthesilea¡ :) My opinion is the same than the ones who has written up to now; one thing is LOVING somebody and another,sometimes very and painfully different,is LIVING with him/her.In this sense,I think their love was forever,no matter even if they split,but their relationship would be harder to endure...Sometimes I've wondered if they maintained this Love's flame because they were apart,for these problems in sharing their life they'd had; and also because their living apart could easily magnifise this relationship,in the sense that one can then see the other's faults as littler,as less significants,or easier to overcome...
Moreover,maybe the nice BBM memories made them living somehow in this age,being more in love with the image they had of each other from that time than with the real persons they were.It's not unusual -I say this for my own experience...-that we project the image and memories we have from a time,a circumstance or a person into the current ones,not realising that everything is change:,sometimes for good,but sometimes also for bad, what we not always are willing,or able,to see.What's your opinion about this BBM times reflex in their lives to come,BTW?.
I'm afraid Ennis and Jack had had too many difficulties in sharing their lives,mainly because the first had builded a wall to protect him and his lover from the social and religious environment that surrounded them;but the first and greater stone he threw to this wall ALWAYS,was himself.And that is hard to endure... :-\
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i completely agree with this. took the words right outta my mouth. thank you.
my question is a little OT but was always wondering what jack was going to do with randall. i mean, if they were gonna live up there, around jack's folks, was jack just going to be honest about it, or try to chalk it up to just two 'friends' living together. i mean, i think it's obvious that O.M.T. knew ....but was jack going to be open about it? would he have done the same with ennis? sorry for being OT.
Katie77:
I heard a line in a TV show the other day that has stuck in my head, and I think it would fit in here too...
In the scene,a young girl wondering whether to continue a relationship, knowing that there were going to be furture problems in it, asked her mother, whether love was enough, would love get them through for the rest of their lives.
The mothers reply was.....We fall in love with our heart, but to survive the rest of our lives together we have to live with our head....
forsythia12:
--- Quote from: Katie77 on March 10, 2008, 05:38:13 pm ---I heard a line in a TV show the other day that has stuck in my head, and I think it would fit in here too...
In the scene,a young girl wondering whether to continue a relationship, knowing that there were going to be furture problems in it, asked her mother, whether love was enough, would love get them through for the rest of their lives.
The mothers reply was.....We fall in love with our heart, but to survive the rest of our lives together we have to live with our head....
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yeah. that's how i make my marriage work. with my head.
sometimes with my heart, but mostly with my thoughts. it was different in the beginning, that's for sure.
years, fights, bills, kids, chores, ....over time it takes it's toll. it makes you stronger, but love just changes over time. i think that's what 'commitment' is.
Katie77:
--- Quote from: forsythia12 on March 10, 2008, 06:34:19 pm ---yeah. that's how i make my marriage work. with my head.
sometimes with my heart, but mostly with my thoughts. it was different in the beginning, that's for sure.
years, fights, bills, kids, chores, ....over time it takes it's toll. it makes you stronger, but love just changes over time. i think that's what 'commitment' is.
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The 3 C's..........committment.....communication.....compromise
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