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who/what in BBBM/real life would you like to "fix "rather than stand?
brokeplex:
the question you asked, would moving in with Jack have fixed things for Ennis. my answer is no, it would have completely cut him off from his daughters, and made him even more paranoid than he already was.
jack would have liked living with ennis for a while, but perhaps the reason their romance lasted as long as it did, was because they did not move in together.
Mandy21:
Artiste, I absolutely love the way you worded that:
"a-how can you fix a life?
b-how can you stand a life?"
Deep questions... I don't think Ennis would have ever been able to stand a homosexual life with Jack. I wish it weren't so, but it seems that it is.
optom3:
--- Quote from: Mandy21 on March 18, 2008, 12:04:12 am ---Artiste, I absolutely love the way you worded that:
"a-how can you fix a life?
b-how can you stand a life?"
Deep questions... I don't think Ennis would have ever been able to stand a homosexual life with Jack. I wish it weren't so, but it seems that it is.
--- End quote ---
I agree, wish I didn't.It would have to have been in a more enlightened time/place.
As it stood then,even living with Jack would have been as per Coldplay lyrics,
"when you get what you want" ---Jack, full time "but not what you need" the paranoia and guilt that would have gone with it.
So in my opinion he really could not fix it.He would have needed real long term therapy to free his mind,from years of repression,fear,guilt etc.That was not going to happen,on any level,financially,socially etc.
Only conclusion then was to stand it.
My 1st husband ended up having a complete breakdown,followed by intensive therapy before he could "come out" That was in so called more enlightened times ,in a relatively,gay tolerant country.And without many of the deep rooted fears of Ennis.Just a more general fear of homophobia and family reactions.
So what hope for Ennis.
Artiste:
Thanks optom, thanks Mandy, thanks brokeplex, and thanks to others too!!
Wow, your posts are pensive!!
Mandy, you say:
I don't think Ennis would have ever been able to stand a homosexual life with Jack!
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Mandy: Wow, I am surprised!!
And optom you added abiout Ennis:
He would have needed real long term therapy to free his mind,from years of repression,fear,guilt etc.That was not going to happen,on any level,financially,socially etc.!!
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Optom: that surprises me too!!
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And brokeplex: you sure puzzle me too by saying Ennis:
would moving in with Jack have fixed things for Ennis. my answer is no, it would have completely cut him off from his daughters, and made him even more paranoid than he already was.
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Brokeplex: you think that Ennis would have become more paranoid!! Wow, wow!!
May I ask you and all:
And Jack too??
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And, brokeplex, you added:
Jack would have liked living with Ennis for a while, but perhaps the reason their romance lasted as long as it did, was because they did not move in together.
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To you all: so these two gay/straight/bi guys would have such difficulties living together, that they needed to see a therapist even BEFORE moving together, and even, after that, more and more help from a specialist or many specialists??
What if they would have gotten a specialist who is homophobic?
Would Jack stand that homophobic therapist? Would Ennis?
Would either one stand that bigot therapist?
Food for thought?
Awaiting your news,
au revoir,
hugs!!
Mandy21:
Artiste, I simply thought that Ennis had so many leftover childhood repressed memories and fears instilled in him, that he never would have been able to live in the same house with a man, no matter how much he loved him. I agree with the observation that maybe the reason their relationship lasted so long was purely because they saw each other so few times, and those times were always special and mysterious, and they both saw to it that they were magical moments, every one of them.
Afraid I don't agree that either of them would have seen a therapist in that day and age, Fiona, just my opinion. Surely not a common thing to do back then. Did any of you folks see the movie "Far From Heaven" with Dennis Quaid (ironically enough) and Julianne Moore? Shrinks can't exactly cure being gay, can they? And why would they want to, anyway?
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