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Was Cassie in the Brokeback Mountain movie homophobic?
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: Artiste on April 07, 2008, 11:27:35 pm ---Thanks oilfieldtrash!
May I disagree with you:
since I do see Cassie forcing Ennis' hand (that we see in more than one way in the movie),
plus Ennis says so to Jack!!
??
Au revoir,
hugs!
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when? and how? ???
Artiste:
Thanks oilfrieldtrash!
Noted is that Cassie forced Ennis on to the floor.
He did not want to be with her!!
And Ennis did say to Jack that Cassie was forcing herself on to him!
Au revoir,
hugs!
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: Artiste on April 08, 2008, 10:09:20 am ---Thanks oilfrieldtrash!
Noted is that Cassie forced Ennis on to the floor.
He did not want to be with her!!
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Ennis is a big boy. He had his reasons for going along with her. If he didn't want to, it's hard to imagine someone of Cassie's size and build "forcing" a man who spends his days wrangling animals to do anything.
--- Quote ---And Ennis did say to Jack that Cassie was forcing herself on to him!
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Artiste, what Ennis says to Jack is, "(I've) been putting the blocks to a good-lookin' little gal over in Riverton." I don't know how you get "Cassie was forcing herself on to him" out of that. If anything, as we've already discussed on this thread, the phrase "putting the blocks to" implies aggression in the other direction.
If you've got some other line in mind, please quote it specifically. I've seen the movie 20 times and read the story about 10, and I can't think of any dialogue remotely like what you describe.
Artiste:
Thanks whysoserious?!
Did you say:
But it's an interesting topic and there's no reason not to explore it...
All points of view have a place here...
..........
Whysoserious, to that may I say that there is always to sides of a coin, right?
You and some others are taking the position or think that Cassie is not forcing herself on Ennis, right??
May I see the opposite light or view ??
Everyone sees that Cassie forces Ennis on to the floor; she pulls him !!
Is that not so?
And Ennis does not want to do so!!
.............
Your interpretation of what Ennis says to Jack about Cassie, is not mine evidently!! You have a right to your own opinion, on that! I see that Cassie again is forcing herself... again and again, and that is why Ennis must end this since she is agressive towards him, but he is unwilling !! Her ways are artificial only, as she tries to sparkle Ennis, but Ennis has no crush on her (and that is NOT his fault)!!
Cassie tries to seduce continuously Ennis and in many ways, but he will not have anything to do with her, and that is his choice, not her's unfortunately. You need two to tango, right?? Cassie is making always a solo tango!!
Cassie should have ended her make-believe affair right away after dancing with Ennis, but no she does not!!
If she abuses Ennis or not, that is another question??
Cassie is desperate, why ? Is she maybe abusing herself, is she ?
It is NOT Ennis' fault that he is not in love with Cassie, right?
Au revoir,
hugs!
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: Artiste on April 08, 2008, 12:39:11 pm ---Whysoserious, to that may I say that there is always to sides of a coin, right?
You and some others are taking the position or think that Cassie is not forcing herself on Ennis, right??
May I see the opposite light or view ??
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Of course! You express your views, and I express mine.
--- Quote ---Everyone sees that Cassie forces Ennis on to the floor; she pulls him !!
Is that not so?
And Ennis does not want to do so!!
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Ennis seems reluctant to go onto the dance floor. But if he were absolutely opposed to going, I don't think she could force him.
--- Quote ---Your interpretation of what Ennis says to Jack about Cassie, is not mine evidently!! You have a right to your own opinion, on that!
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Yes, but mine is not an interpretation or an opinion, it's a direct quote from the movie.
--- Quote ---Cassie should have ended her make-believe affair right away after dancing with Ennis, but no she does not!!
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Another reason to argue that Ennis is not being "forced" is that when he finally decides to end the relationship, he does.
--- Quote ---If she abuses Ennis or not, that is another question??
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If you're asking, my opinion is no. She does not "abuse" him.
--- Quote ---It is NOT Ennis' fault that he is not in love with Cassie, right?
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Right.
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