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twistedude:
"I got a kid. Eight months old. Smilea a lot."

"He's from Texas."

Both mean: excuse me, but I'm not in my right mind.

Brown Eyes:

--- Quote from: julie01 on June 08, 2006, 09:59:09 pm ---"I got a kid. Eight months old. Smilea a lot."

"He's from Texas."

Both mean: excuse me, but I'm not in my right mind.

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LOL.  :laugh: cute Julie.

Brown Eyes:
Hey there Friends,

I decided to bump an old thread called "The Earl Flashback" http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?action=post;topic=981.0;num_replies=18 here in the BBM Open Forum.  In case anyone's interested, some of the discussions there overlap with conversations here about the "done the job" issue.

 :'(

jpwagoneer1964:

--- Quote from: latjoreme on June 06, 2006, 01:01:38 am ---Man, this movie is so incredibly ambiguous. I see the exact same scene and read it as, Ennis sitting by the campfire already knows that he wants to go into the tent but he's really nervous about it -- not just because he's homophobic but because this is something he's never done before (maybe with a woman, either) and he's both excited and fearful. When he finally does go in, he is perfectly willing but it's such a foreign experience for him that he's not exactly sure how to proceed and it takes him a while to relax into it. But, with help from Jack's "s'alrights," he does!

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Did you notice on the mountian how the scene was held with them sitting so close. They likely remained there for quite some time. Also Jack made a special trip to where Ennis was to see him. Bet they hardly spoke or needed to during supper, just enjoying the closeness.
Also Ennis is waring the shirt Jack had washed that morning a well as the jeans.

Mikaela:
Another of those bridging scenes double meanings: LaShawn says "....boy, were we behind the times". And the film cuts directly to someone else who's behind the times - Alma Jr., waiting for her daddy and apparently behind the times when it comes to recent developments (ie. Ennis having hooked up with Cassie).


Amanda, you've made many interesting points about Earl and Rich. I absolutely agree that Ennis had and still has a grudging respect for them. (I wonder how old they were when Ennis was 8. At that age, doesn't take a lot of years to appear "old".)  But on top of the respect the boy had for them before the gay bashing, I think his father's action instilled deepset fear and disgust of homosexuality into Ennis, whether it be in Earl and Rich or in himself, a disgust that he couldn't reconcile with the other parts of eithers' life . Ennis seems to tie himself in endless conflicted knots over that, and probably over how to think of his father and his actions as well. I think he's got quite a lot of grudging and mixed-up respect for his dad too, in addition to a lot of hurt anger and fear and  - probably - contempt. At any rate he's unable to speak out against his dad - or for Earl and Rich - without ambiguity and mixed-up emotions creeping in among his words.

I know Ennis uses the tire iron and risk of being killed as his reason for keeping Jack at a distance, but that's not the only or even main reason, IMO. He'd not be that afraid of physical violence and standing up to the threat of physical violence if he'd known himself to be in the right. But he doesn't  - some significant part of him thinks they'd be right for coming after him with tire irons, if he should decide to have a go at the "sweet life" that Jack wants. "Two guys living together - no way" doesn't only apply to what society at large would think about it, but to what Ennis himself truly believes as well, and the shame he can't manage to shake or alter even when the love of his life is at stake - till it's too late.

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