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Double meanings: Lines that can be taken more than one way
dly64:
--- Quote from: Mikaela on July 26, 2006, 03:15:36 pm ---The most unintentionally ironic line LaShawn delivers, and hence another line with double meaning, is the complaint that the two husbands "Don't have a smidging of rhythm between them". In all likelihood, soon there's going to be quite a lot of rhythm between those two guys.... And Jack actually seems to possibly make that connection, too - at least IMO he does a little double-take at Lashawn's comment.
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I never thought of that, either, but it makes sense. OMG! I am going to have to watch that scene more closely.
stevenedel:
--- Quote from: Mikaela on July 26, 2006, 03:15:36 pm ---I've seen others say that as well - but I honestly don't see why Jack would want to spite Lureen? I just don't see him as that kind of person, never actively spiteful.....even in those later disapponted years. He knows, none better, what the marriage has become and why. IMO he'd echo Ennis if he had to: Shut up about Lureen. This ain't her fault.
In my view, Jack asks Lashawn to dance in order to get out of an increasingly embarrassing and awkward situation, in order to have time to collect his thoughts a bit and regroup. Randall visibly checking him out, LaShawn contributing her cluelessly and increasingly ironic remarks, Lureen watching and adding her little barbed comments on the side; getting onto the dance floor with a woman who will manage to entertain herself completely seems like a good retreat option for Jack just there and then.
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That's interesting, Mikaela. Much as I like Jack, I have the feeling he's very well capable of being Jack Nasty. His remark, to Ennis, about Lureen 'punching numbers' is hardly a very nice one. During the dance scene, in my opinion they are having a covert fight, and I always wonder if it is about Jack's homosexuality. Lureen puts a direct challenge to him: "Why do you think that is, Jack?".
And then he dances with Lashawn as a proxy for Randall. I doubt he'd have much opportunity to order his thoughts, with Lashawn chattering away the way she does.
dly64:
--- Quote from: stevenedel on July 27, 2006, 04:06:15 am ---That's interesting, Mikaela. Much as I like Jack, I have the feeling he's very well capable of being Jack Nasty. His remark, to Ennis, about Lureen 'punching numbers' is hardly a very nice one. During the dance scene, in my opinion they are having a covert fight, and I always wonder if it is about Jack's homosexuality. Lureen puts a direct challenge to him: "Why do you think that is, Jack?".
And then he dances with Lashawn as a proxy for Randall. I doubt he'd have much opportunity to order his thoughts, with Lashawn chattering away the way she does.
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It's funny you should say that. Earlier, Ennis asks if, between Jack and Lureen, "it's normal and all?" Jack shakes his head yes. I'd like to hear Lureen's POV. As she continues to "punch" those numbers in her adding machine, her hair gets blonder and blonder, her make-up thicker and thicker, and she becomes more and more bitter. Her personality has been described as “cold as ice”. I believe she would describe her sex life the same way. The only time we see them passionate is in the car. It is obvious by the time her hair starts to stiffen up, so has their relationship.
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: stevenedel on July 27, 2006, 04:06:15 am ---During the dance scene, in my opinion they are having a covert fight, and I always wonder if it is about Jack's homosexuality. Lureen puts a direct challenge to him: "Why do you think that is, Jack?".
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If not an out-and-out spat, at the very least Lureen is taunting him. And I think it's absolutely about Jack's homosexuality -- or at least their unsatisfactory sex life -- though I'm not sure whether Lureen is conscious of that or not.
--- Quote from: dly64 on July 27, 2006, 08:51:47 am ---It's funny you should say that. Earlier, Ennis asks if, between Jack and Lureen, "it's normal and all?" Jack shakes his head yes. ... As she continues to "punch" those numbers in her adding machine, her hair gets blonder and blonder, her make-up thicker and thicker, and she becomes more and more bitter.
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Yeah, I think Lureen's increasingly blond hair and brittle demeanor signals her growing dissatisfaction. I wish that, when Ennis asked if things were normal, Jack had just admitted outright that they aren't. I suppose he was trying not to trigger Ennis' startle point, but in this case it seems like Ennis would have felt reassured if Jack had been truthful.
dly64:
--- Quote from: latjoreme on July 27, 2006, 09:26:26 am ---Yeah, I think Lureen's increasingly blond hair and brittle demeanor signals her growing dissatisfaction. I wish that, when Ennis asked if things were normal, Jack had just admitted outright that they aren't. I suppose he was trying not to trigger Ennis' startle point, but in this case it seems like Ennis would have felt reassured if Jack had been truthful.
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Or could have Jack actually believed his sex life with Lureen was normal? I would hope not .... but you never know! :-\
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