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Double meanings: Lines that can be taken more than one way
nakymaton:
--- Quote from: atz75 on May 25, 2006, 10:40:04 pm ---And another one...
"You sleep with the sheep, 100 percent"- can be translated into "I don't want no rose stemming out of you two boys."
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Or in other words: "Buggery is just fine, but keep your hands off each other, you hear?" ;)
Ummm, I hope that everyone reading this thread knows that, just because I think of something when I hear a line, that doesn't mean that I think that the character actually thinks it (or that Annie Proulx or Diana Ossana or Larry McMurtry or Ang Lee or Heath or Jake or etc etc actually meant me to hear it that way). ;D
As for
--- Quote ---As clumsy as I am, I'd probably electrocute myself.
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In addition to all the other good ideas, I hear: "I would hate that job. I hated working for the road crew, listening to that guy with plumber's butt go on and on. I like castrating calves and helping the heifers calve."
Meryl... no, I'm not going to make some up about "ignorant asses" right now. ;D Though actually, I find it interesting that there's a lot of disagreement about what exactly pushed Jack to stand up to L.D. there. If it's Bobby's presence, then maybe Jack is also saying "I'm a man too, dammit!" If he's just getting to his breaking point in general because the separation from Ennis is eating away at him, then he might also mean "I just can't deal with you people! Argh!"
Meryl:
Meryl... no, I'm not going to make some up about "ignorant asses" right now. Though actually, I find it interesting that there's a lot of disagreement about what exactly pushed Jack to stand up to L.D. there. If it's Bobby's presence, then maybe Jack is also saying "I'm a man too, dammit!" If he's just getting to his breaking point in general because the separation from Ennis is eating away at him, then he might also mean "I just can't deal with you people! Argh!"
Heh, I can always trust you to wax eloquent on any subject, Mel! ;D
"You're nineteen, guess you can do whatever you want."
I haven't really been around enough to earn the right to tell you who to date.
Or
I couldn't do what I wanted at nineteen. I'm glad you can.
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: atz75 on May 25, 2006, 07:49:29 pm ---Ennis to Lureen- "We were good friends." - can be translated into "He was the love of my life and my best friend."
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Thanks, Mikaela and Amanda! :D
Amanda, the very phrase "love of my life" and even "best friend" are enough to make me tear up these days.
OK, back briefly to the camping scene by the river. Does anybody think maybe Jack could have handled it a bit better? Amanda has mentioned the idea that during the "prayer of thanks" scene Jack jumped in a little too quickly with the cohabitation idea -- in a completely understandable, well-meaning way, but sort of ruining the sweet moment. I wonder if a similar thing is going on here.
Ennis really seems to be confiding in Jack about subjects he's not normally comfortable discussing, taking a risk to sincerely ask for Jack's thoughts. Are things "normal" with his wife? Does he worry that people "know"? Does Jack worry about that stuff? How does he handle it? This could be an opportunity for Jack to confide his own feelings, offer Ennis some reassurance that his fears are normal under the circumstances, take the moment to a greater level of intimacy -- provide the verbal equivalent of the wet handkerchief after the bear incident, or the cheek caress after Ennis' revelation about Earl.
Instead, for understandable and well-meaning reasons -- Jack always has to be wary of that low startle point -- he doesn't. He shrugs off the questions and suggests that Ennis move out of town. That actually does seem like a sensible solution. But not entirely reassuring for Ennis, as it disregards his worries. And when it comes to cohabitation, Ennis has an even lower startle point, and Jack hits it (and gets thrown).
So ends Ennis' moment of openness, and an opportunity is wasted.
Aussie Chris:
--- Quote from: latjoreme on May 26, 2006, 02:18:53 am ---So ends Ennis' moment of openness, and an opportunity is wasted.
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Awww, Katherine, you're just a little sentimental today aren't you?
Very cute! ;D
belbbmfan:
--- Quote from: latjoreme on May 26, 2006, 02:18:53 am ---
This could be an opportunity for Jack to confide his own feelings and experiences, offer Ennis some reassurance that his fears are normal under the circumstances, take the moment to a greater level of intimacy -- in other words, provide the verbal equivalent of the wet handkerchief after the bear incident, or the cheek caress after Ennis' revelation about Earl.
Instead, for perfectly understandable and well-meaning reasons -- Jack always has to be wary of that low startle point -- he doesn't do any of these things. He shrugs off the questions and suggests that Ennis move out of town.
So ends Ennis' moment of openness, and an opportunity is wasted.
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Latjoreme,
I agree. Towards the end of their relationship, Jack seems to be less tender and caring. He was talking about money and profits, which was a bit showing off, considering Ennis' financial situation. Jack seemed to have gone a bit numb inside, because the older they got, the more it becomes painfully clear to Jack that he and Ennis will never live together. :'(
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