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Why the Lie?
nakymaton:
*pulls out book to make sure I've got the quote right*
Ok, here it is:
--- Quote ---"...I never had no thoughts a doin it with another guy except I sure wrang it out a hunderd times thinkin about you. You do it with other guys? Jack?"
"Shit no," said Jack, who had been riding more than bulls, not rolling his own.
--- End quote ---
I interpreted both "wrang it out" and "rolling his own" to refer to masturbating, and "riding more than bulls" to mean that story-Jack had had sex with other men during those four years. (Movie-Jack is a different case; from the Jimbo incident, I got the impression that movie-Jack tried to pick up other men, but didn't have any luck, and ended up with Lureen after he had gotten desperately lonely for contact with another person.)
("Rolling his own" also refers to making his own cigarettes, right? But that meaning doesn't make much sense in context.)
tiawahcowboy:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on May 27, 2006, 10:12:52 pm ---This definition most certainly can be analogous to masturbation. Whether the word is supposed to mean it or not. Especially as in 1962, Alma was still doing laundry, where you would 'wring out' the laundry to squeeze out the excess water. An action Ennis is most certainly familiar with.
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Well, people with dirty minds can make almost any word or phrase in the English language be related to sexual activity. Alma was rubbing the dirt off of the laundry in the sink. Well, "rub off" is another euphemism for "masturbation, too.
Alma does not even come into the Brokeback Mountain story until 1963 and when she is using the washboard in her kitchen sink in the movie, Ennis is working as a wrangler and/or for the Wyoming Highway department. Both of their daughters have born.
But, in the book, Ennis worked for the Highway department on weekdays and as a wrangler on weekend days AFTER they moved to Riverton and the 2nd daughter was born in Riverton.
Aussie Chris:
--- Quote from: tiawahcowboy on May 28, 2006, 10:55:08 am ---Well, people with dirty minds can make almost any word or phrase in the English language be related to sexual activity. Alma was rubbing the dirt off of the laundry in the sink. Well, "rub off" is another euphemism for "masturbation, too.
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I don't agree with this at all. These characters were in a sexual love affair, I don't see it as having a dirty mind to perceive that their dialogue alluded to sex also. I mean, to tell your post-coital lover that you "wrung it out about a 100 times" thinking about him: if that's not about masturbation, then I must have the mind of a gutter rat! Peace. :laugh:
tiawahcowboy:
--- Quote from: Aussie Chris on May 28, 2006, 11:18:47 am ---I don't agree with this at all. These characters were in a sexual love affair, I don't see it as having a dirty mind to perceive that their dialogue alluded to sex also. I mean, to tell your post-coital lover that you "wrung it out about a 100 times" thinking about him: if that's not about masturbation, then I must have the mind of a gutter rat! Peace. :laugh:
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Well, as a person who lives on the other side of the world, Aussie Chris, you can disagree or agree with anything about the meaning of originally American coined words and expressions in the Western US States.
I just think that Ennis Del Mar just thought all the sex he had with Jack up on Brokeback Mountain, which he enjoyed, and his wringing it out a hundred times might have been his remembrance of each of those times and he tried at least a hundred times to attempt to figure out, aka wring out, why he liked doin' it with Jack.
I have met people in real life who claimed to be straight; but, they said they just didn't understand why they liked to have, and wanted to have, sex with certain guys.
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: tiawahcowboy on May 28, 2006, 10:55:08 am ---Well, people with dirty minds can make almost any word or phrase in the English language be related to sexual activity. Alma was rubbing the dirt off of the laundry in the sink. Well, "rub off" is another euphemism for "masturbation, too.
--- End quote ---
Um, you don't have to have a 'dirty mind' (whatever kind of moralistic statement that is ::),) but just be aware that people use a great deal of euphemisms when speaking about certain things - hence 'choking the chicken/spanking the monkey/getting a woody/being with child' etc.
Alma does not even come into the Brokeback Mountain story until 1963 and when she is using the washboard in her kitchen sink in the movie, Ennis is working as a wrangler and/or for the Wyoming Highway department. Both of their daughters have born.
Doesn't matter, Ennis was living with his sister and brother for a long time in poverty circumstances, he most certainly knew how laundry was done back then and you can see Jack doing the same thing by the river up on the mountain when he's doing their laundry.
Not sure what your point is.
It's a euphemism and quite an obvious one rather than a high school drop out imagining the word of 'wrang' as him thinking about a situation that has no solution.
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