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Why the Lie?
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: opinionista on May 29, 2006, 12:22:27 pm ---From the story:
"I like doin it with women, yeah, but Jesus H. ain't nothing like this. I never had no thoughts a doin it with another guy except I sure wrang it out a hundred times thinkin about you. You do it with other guys, Jack?" "Shit no", said Jack, who had been riding more than bulls, not rolling his own.
Now that I have brought the above quotation from the story, I ask you guys, is Proulx implying that Jack had sex with other guys while away from Ennis? I'm not quite sure I understand what the author means with Jack riding more than bulls not rolling his own.
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I think Proulx meant Jack was having sex with other men. Ang Lee/writers seem to think so as well, hence the scene with Jimbo the clown in the movie. Jack was actively seeking sex with other men.
opinionista:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on May 29, 2006, 01:06:53 pm ---I think Proulx meant Jack was having sex with other men. Ang Lee/writers seem to think so as well, hence the scene with Jimbo the clown in the movie. Jack was actively seeking sex with other men.
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Thanks Del. That's what I thought but wasn't 100% sure.
tiawahcowboy:
--- Quote from: starboardlight on May 29, 2006, 12:41:02 pm ---all this arguing about "wrang it out" is funny. tiawahcowboy, you're certainly entitled to interpret the phrase how you like, but I don't understand why you're so adamant that other read it the same way you do. In literature, metaphors are very common. An imagery can be used to describe something even though they nothing to do with one another. When Shakespeare wrote "A rose by any other name" he wasn't talking about flowers. He used the phrase to describe Romeo and Juliet's love in the face of family conflict. A phrase can have a surface meaning and many under layers of meanings at the same time.
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Listen up, I live in Oklahoma and so did thousands of other people. If you look up the colloquial/regional expression, "wrang it out," you will see that it has to do with some serious thinking about getting the answer to a difficult question and it takes quite a while before one realizes what the real answer was.
In the book/short story, in August 1963, after Ennis and Jack drove (their trucks) away in opposite directions, "within a mile Ennis felt like someone was pulling his guts out hand over hand a yard at at time. He stopped at the side of the road and, in the whirling new snow, tried to puke but nothing came up. He felt about as bad as he ever had and it took a long time for the feeling to wear off."
Then at the 1967 Reunion in the Riverton Siesta Motel room . . . "That summer," said Ennis. "When we split up after we got paid out I had gut cramps so bad I pulled over and tried to puke, thought I ate somethin bad at that place in Dubois. Took me about a year a figure out it was that I shouldn't a let you out a my sights. Too late then by a long, long while."
Ennis did not exactly have a limited vocabulary; he was a man of few words when it came to speaking to strangers and to himself. The expressions, to "figure it out" and to, "wring it out," mean exactly the same thing here in Tiawah.
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: opinionista on May 29, 2006, 01:14:38 pm ---Thanks Del. That's what I thought but wasn't 100% sure.
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I'm not sure about the specifics though.
'Riding more than bulls' is fairly clear. I'm not sure about the 'not rolling his own', unless Proulx was using more than one expression for the same thing?
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: tiawahcowboy on May 29, 2006, 01:16:10 pm ---Listen up, I live in Oklahoma and so did thousands of other people. If you look up the colloquial/regional expression, "wrang it out," you will see that it has to do with some serious thinking about getting the answer to a difficult question and it takes quite a while before one realizes what the real answer was.
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Yes, but neither Ennis/Jack or Proulx are in Oklahoma. What means one thing in Oklahoma can most certainly mean something else in Wyoming.
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