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Why are the poor, poor?
Kelda:
--- Quote from: HerrKaiser on April 29, 2008, 12:36:21 pm ---I think this is spot on.
The original thesis by the author was as sad commentary on the human condition. He suggests that six bee stings (many problems) just go unattended to by people because it is just too hard to deal with more than one bee sting. I wonder if the men fighting at D Day felt that way? Clearly not. Or the astronaust in apollo 13? Don't think so. Or any of the millions of poor kids who make it big. Probably not.
I find the thesis to be yet another attempt to excuse behavior that has led to unproductive lives. A previous poster indicated a suspicion about commentators on poverty if they have never been poor; excellent point. But, the other side to that coin is how many more of us HAVE been poor (as the poster indicated...unable to pay for college, not knowing where the next day's food or housing would come from, etc) and pulled up the boot straps and dealt with all six bee stings.
Some people are weak and incapable of dealing with one bee sting, much less six, agreed. But the safety net that was put in place to help the truly incapable has become a hammock for millions of folks who just find it easier to run to ER for the bee stings than apply some remedy on their own.
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Yes but not everyone who is poor or on welfare are there cos they can't be arsed. Yes many are, but many are not. They try to fight but they just cant get out. It happens.
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on April 29, 2008, 01:46:18 pm ---And God forbid we should do anything to help keep you from getting pregnant, other than to tell you to not have sex, which you won't listen to anyway because people have been ignoring that advice since the beginning of time. ...
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unless I misread the law of the land and in the various states, a woman's body is her own, it belongs to no one else, no one has claim on it, even the (baby/fetus/embryo) within. so, then why should anyone feel compelled to provide anything to keep that woman from "getting pregnant". Wouldn't that violate the her autonomy?
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: Kelda on April 29, 2008, 01:57:44 pm ---Yes but not everyone who is poor or on welfare are there cos they can't be arsed. Yes many are, but many are not. They try to fight but they just cant get out. It happens.
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"arsed"?
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: broketrash on April 29, 2008, 03:53:32 pm ---unless I misread the law of the land and in the various states, a woman's body is her own, it belongs to no one else, no one has claim on it, even the (baby/fetus/embryo) within. so, then why should anyone feel compelled to provide anything to keep that woman from "getting pregnant". Wouldn't that violate the her autonomy?
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Did you accidentally miss the "help," or was that deliberate?
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on April 29, 2008, 04:10:49 pm ---Did you accidentally miss the "help," or was that deliberate?
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it was an accident: I can rewrite that with "help" included.
not that I see it make any difference, it still amounts to the same concept. if the woman in question has autonomy then she is the one who is responsible for any "help" in preventing pregnancies, not the tax payers.
private organizations, charities, churches, "helpful" individuals are another matter. more power to the private charities and religious organizations which voluntarily use their funds to advance their favorite social cause. I simply object to my tax dollars being extorted from me, and used in order to rectify someone else's private decisions made within the context of their own autonomy.
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