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Why are the poor, poor?
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: broketrash on May 03, 2008, 07:41:53 pm ---the question is not one of "bias", but how much research or serious scholarship is a part of the articles which scholars produce as a part of their work for the Heritage Foundation. If the research is done well and is noted by other serious scholars as being worth discussing, then blanket condemnation without an attempt to understand the context is out of place in a serious discussion.
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But that's the point. A site that's so obviously biased toward the right may have done good scholarship, but then may have just as easily slanted the results in the direction they want it to be interpreted, either by omission or selective information. This is the problem I had with the article in general.
--- Quote ---"WWRD" may seem weird to you, but that is because you are not a conservative.
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It's not weird to me, I'm familiar with the acronym. What it demonstrates to me is that this site is used to its visitors and members being of the overtly Christian persuasion who will take WWRD in a positive light instead of the humorous light it is seen by the more secular of our society.
--- Quote ---Conservatives have very happy memories of Reagan, and think that many of the solutions which he offered back in the 1980's if fully carried out would solve many of the problems with the federal gov. The Heritage Foundation is not a stealth conservative organization, it is frankly conservative, and free market oriented. If there are those that do not wish to even wish consider that approach, then there really is point in having a discussion. If I were unwilling to even consider that gov at any level has a role to play in this issue, then there would also be no reason to have a discussion.
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The approaches of the conservatives have been looked at, the discussion exists because not everybody is a conservative and goes along with their approaches.
--- Quote ---It is certainly a part of any ongoing debate to consider the sources of information, but to use blanket labelling and demonization is not a part of a serious discussion.
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Well, that's what you call it. As crayons so rightly pointed out, it's quite obvious that Reagan is lionized on this website, you yourself pointed out that conservatives believe him to be the source of many happy memories - not unlike Clinton is these days to another part of society - and it is a frankly conservative website. You yourself have just blanket labelled the website. We agree.
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: broketrash on May 03, 2008, 07:54:12 pm ---I would suspect that it would depend on individual community standards of habitation. Some communities have stricter standards than others.
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:o :o Um, yeah. If you live in the slums of Calcutta or Mexico City, then I'm sure a kerosene lamp is the ultimate in luxury. But we're talking the United States, broke! Ye gods, if I saw someone living in a hovel with the only way to heat their food and water and home was with a kerosene lantern because it was all they had, I would have no doubt whatsoever in stating that this is a poor person. I wouldn't matter where they lived in the U.S.!
--- Quote ---Certainly, you are not forced to read the 19 page report! It is an option which I presented because you asked about the sourcing of the article. Open minds make for better discussions, however. And I have found that people who are looking for something with which they can disagree with, usually find it. Census statistics are always open to manipulation and interpretation, I know that from running political campaigns.
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I agree. There are statistics and damned statistics, I am not commenting on the information the Census Bureau provided. I am commenting negatively on how the article writer used the information.
--- Quote ---One time both myself and a lefty Democrat woman with whom I shared campaigns took the same TX state issued report from CPS and made two entirely different presentations based upon our individual interpretations of the data. We laughed about that, and we later got the contract to represent the client. :laugh: I know I can parse just about any leftist report out of one of the left think tanks, and parse them to death as well. So, what would I accomplish by doing that? Nothing, but if I look for ideas that may be useful, then I gain a new perspective. If your goal is just to make debating points, enjoy, its painless.
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No, my goal is to get a good idea of who and how many poor there are in the U.S. and despite the scholarship shown by the writer, his article is a disservice to anyone reading it who is not paying attention.
Artiste:
It remains that one must be fervent not to become too poor, as poverty is another added dire stress in life !!
Fervent too, one must be to help others get out of poverty, or not to become too poorer !! Homeless, being so is not deserving !!
One can NOT live alone ! If one can not help another person, then there is no humanity!
Life can only exists when humans help !! ??
Au revoir, keep care,
hugs!
Artiste:
There is always a special opportunity every day to help someone and yourself !! ??
That way, there is less poverty !!
And great times to share !!
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: injest on May 04, 2008, 01:49:39 am ---whereas if we used Broketrash's plan we could be rid of the poor in a few generations...(making a realistic assumption that we wont' be able to sterilize ALL the poor the first generation)
who we are gonna get to wash dishes, clean our toilets, and do all the menial low wage jobs though...that is gonna be the hard question.
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Undocumented immigrants? ;)
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