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Why are the poor, poor?
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: injest on April 29, 2008, 11:35:30 pm ---its always the woman's fault isn't it?
and I notice that for each of my 'endless' posts you have just ONE stock answer that doesn't address the issues I raise. It is easy to say that girls should keep their legs crossed and the world's problems would be solved. Unfortunately life isn't that simple.
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I have an answer that you don't wish to hear. You are interested in a pity party, not real solutions. The pity party in this country for those on welfare is over. Look at it this way, the rich pay very few taxes, the poor pay none at all.
It is hard working middle class parents, families where the father isn't dogging all the neighborhood women and the woman is not on an endless breeding welfare cycle, who are actually paying for all of the:
food,
shelter,
medical care,
dental care,
clothing,
legal aid,
educational loans and grants,
given to single parent families.
In that process, these working middle class people are forced by the tax system to give up extras for their own children.
In other words, middle class people are punished by the rich and the poor.
This not only must change, it will change.
I'll let you get on with your pity party.
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: injest on April 30, 2008, 12:11:46 am ---well when I HEAR some solutions instead of stereotypes; I will be glad to listen.
someone told me the other day "You know you are on target when the searchlights go on and the flack gets heavy"
:) :)
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:laugh: :laugh: bombs away.
the exact quote was, "you know that you are over the target when the search lights go on and the flack gets heavy." and I hear those SAM missles heading my way so I know I am over the target.
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: broketrash on April 29, 2008, 11:25:17 pm ---its not an issue of defining success as "admission to med school" or law school. success can be measured by just getting the bills paid without having to depend on the charity of others and the welfare state. there are so many instances in this country of honest proud working people with limited educations and abilities who refuse to think of themselves as victims, so they work at honest jobs rather than whining. the people who persevere tend to think of themselves as winners and have no interest in the social net. they have the dignity to make decisions with their lives and with their autonomous bodies which do not bring more poverty, and taxes into the world. there are many paths to success, but when people are turned into victims they will never find that path. and maybe it is the intent of those who advocate the welfare state to perpetuate a permanent class of victims. maybe they need victims, because if the victim quota dries up, most of the welfare advocates wouldn't have jobs.
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Well, you're talking short-term success then. You missed the point. The working poor are exactly that. They are hard-working people who show up to their jobs every day and who have children and who - at the end of 40 years of hard labor - will have absolutely nothing to show for it, living off Social Security, Medicare, Welfare and their children because those jobs they worked so hard at didn't pay them enough to buy a house, create a savings account, build a portfolio or last long enough in the business world to give their employees the benefit of a pension plan. Their jobs paid them enough to get by. Period.
Based on what you just said, the fact they have a job, do not accept welfare and have a great attitude about themselves is a form of 'success'. What kind of "success" is it that leaves someone homeless, living under a bridge or on the charity of others when they get too old or too sick to work? Thinking themselves a winner won't buy them a cup of coffee. There are a lot of dignified homeless people.
And as for and with their autonomous bodies which do not bring more poverty, sometimes those children are their backup plan against the time when they will have no where else to go and no one else to turn to for care.
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on April 30, 2008, 12:43:06 am ---Well, you're talking short-term success then. You missed the point. The working poor are exactly that. They are hard-working people who show up to their jobs every day and who have children and who - at the end of 40 years of hard labor - will have absolutely nothing to show for it, living off Social Security, Medicare, Welfare and their children because those jobs they worked so hard at didn't pay them enough to buy a house, create a savings account, build a portfolio or last long enough in the business world to give their employees the benefit of a pension plan. Their jobs paid them enough to get by. Period.
Based on what you just said, the fact they have a job, do not accept welfare and have a great attitude about themselves is a form of 'success'. What kind of "success" is it that leaves someone homeless, living under a bridge or on the charity of others when they get too old or too sick to work? Thinking themselves a winner won't buy them a cup of coffee. There are a lot of dignified homeless people.
And as for and with their autonomous bodies which do not bring more poverty, sometimes those children are their backup plan against the time when they will have no where else to go and no one else to turn to for care.
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they are certainly a back up plan to get more welfare and WIC benefits.
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: injest on April 30, 2008, 12:49:33 am ---you are confused Del. All the poverty stricken are girls that can't say no!
(and their offspring. )
No welfare payments go to ANYONE other than that....(and if there ARE other people on welfare we cant' discuss it here....)
;)
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perhaps if they had said no, they wouldn't be mired in poverty. hunh?
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