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Why are the poor, poor?
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: broketrash on May 09, 2008, 03:43:55 pm ---oh, come on. now that is Jesuitical parsing if I have ever seen it!
Those who are on assistance of any type are much more likely to vote Democrat. It is no accident of fate that some of the safest Democrat districts in the US are in the inner cities with a large pop on assistance. Lets dispense with such silliness as trying to dodge the economic motivating factors in voting decisions, and the very real impact that being on assistance has on voting decisions. People tend to vote their pocketbook, and this is the control that the entrenched welfare system has over a segment of the electorate.
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Hunh? Are you not reading the posts you're quoting? ??? That's what Crayons said.
Ooops, forgot, I'm being Ignored. ... ;D
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: HerrKaiser on May 09, 2008, 01:50:57 pm ---Thanks for the personal swipe that is only an opinion! ;) :-X ;D
Ah, such perfection! I thought Oprah was the only one who thought she was God! ;D ;D ;D
If the single woman had not felt comfortable, in the first place, that a child she could not afford would be covered by the broken system, she likely would have made better choices. ;)
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exactly, and I would add if the man knew that there were real consequences for abandoning the care and feeding of his children to the tax payers, he may not have dogged the woman and split.
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: seriouscrayons on May 09, 2008, 01:55:45 pm ---This exactly supports Jeff's point, which you appear to have missed.
If the woman DOESN'T make better choices, the child will suffer. Should the child have made better choices?
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society should have made better choices and not created a system which encourages this type of behavior!
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: HerrKaiser on May 09, 2008, 03:05:58 pm ---the above posts are a fine indication of how confused many posts are:
1) seriouscrayons uses my quote to suggest it supports a point by JW
2) JW salutes seriouscrayons for stating this opinion.
3) JW then refers to the same quote as bizarre thinking.
Very, very strange. ;D ;D ;D
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Kaiser my brother, it ain't strange at all, it is perfectly normal when dealing with liberalthink.
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: broketrash on May 08, 2008, 03:30:58 pm ---To me that has almost been a waste of time, the only method of extracting the inextractable problem of the underclass is radical reform.
1) get the issue away from the feds
2) reform secondary education towards a two track system
3) allow mandatory birth control for welfare recipients
4) make the men who father children and abandon those children either pay up, or ship out to a prison farm
5) allow mandatory workfare for recipients
6) rest control away from the permanent welfare bureaucracy by allow the tax payers to vote in yearly referenda on any changes needed in the programs
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Tell you what, the preceding proposal for radical welfare reform actually speaks to something that puzzles me about Gay Conservatives/Gay Republicans in general.
It's true that it is possible to be both fiscally conservative and socially liberal (I've been known myself to squeeze a nickel till the buffalo defecates ;) ), but it seems to me that welfare reform is the arena where the fiscal and the social come together. So what puzzles me is how anyone can believe that people who are of a mindset to espouse such a program of welfare reform as Broketrash proposes can also be brought to approve any form of gay marriage.
Granted, gay marriage and welfare reform are not necessarily related issues, but I'm not talking here about issues per se. I'm talking about mindset. And it just boggles my imagination that anyone could believe that any straight/heterosexual voter or legislator who would favor such a draconian program of welfare reform could ever be brought to be socially liberal enought to vote for or accept any form of gay marriage.
For what it's worth. ...
Unless perhaps the gays who are marrying are very rich, very white, and very in the closet. (Rich Uncle Harold and his "friend" Bruce are like that. ;) )
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