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Why are the poor, poor?
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: injest on April 30, 2008, 12:49:33 am ---you are confused Del. All the poverty stricken are girls that can't say no!(and their offspring. )
No welfare payments go to ANYONE other than that....(and if there ARE other people on welfare we cant' discuss it here....)
;)
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I find it interesting that no one is noticing that I am putting the blame on the men and the women. didn't anyone notice that the comment about men doging the women and abandoning them when they get pregnant? to imply that my comments as "antiwoman" shows the shallowness of your argumentation.
I made it clear that men, women, and the welfare pimps (excuse me, public servants who draw a much deserved salary while administering a worthwhile program that benefits the taxpayers) are part and parcel to the welfare pathology.
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on April 30, 2008, 01:14:24 am ---Good thing, eh? The economic world certainly won't take care of them.
Nothing to say about the rest of the post? OK.
You need to hang around more poor people. They have families. Why do you think you see these great big families living in one house or apartment? Granny can't pay for her own place and neither can the kids when they work full-time at McDonald's. What, did you think they were living like that because they liked each other's company?
Oh, and just try telling them that if they couldn't afford children then they shouldn't have had them and therefore deserve everything that happens to them and their children. That'll go over well.
A friend of mine had an ex-boyfriend who was marrying a woman - strange wedding. I met the man and his brother at the bachelor party - don't ask. The brother had a fiancee. A pregnant fiancee. She was currently living with her folks because they had had a fight where he slapped her. In the meantime, he hoped to win her back because he had a good job at the feed plant - making $8 an hour.
"That's good money, right?" I just stared at him.
These weren't your inner city stereotypical folk that you're thinking of broketrash. The man's brother had gone to college and gotten a degree in marketing. I kinda doubt the brother will ever be able to show me his stock options and portfolio. Not all the people who wind up on social programs are girls who couldn't keep their legs together.
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del we can all fill up a 100 page forum with anecdotal stories of heart breaking cases on the one hand and criminal sloth and fraud on the other hand. so what? the system itself is pathological for the recipient victims and the tax paying victims. the system is a system of victimization and needs abolishment asap.
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: injest on April 30, 2008, 01:27:21 am ---see it IS complicated. Which is why people try to reduce it down to a simple "Poor people are lazy and stupid and slutty". Makes it easier to feel superior and to not do anything about it.
I dont' like the 'cradle to grave' thing. I think it hurts more than it helps. But I also believe there are people on welfare that we need to support. I am unwilling to deny food to the elderly or the children.
We need concrete solutions and 'privitazation' of all social programs is not the complete answer.
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Well, for months now I have been reading your PITY PARTY threads and your cries for new solutions to replace a failing system. Sadly, I still haven't heard any new ideas from you. You consistently reject church and private charities and do not acknowledge the inequity of making middle class families pay to feed, clothe, medicate, and educate the poor. While the rich pay little and the poor pay nothing into the system.
Do we all remember the "TEXAS # 1 IN TEENAGED BIRTHS" thread on this web site, these issues and many alternatives were all discussed at great length.
and, ladies and gentlemen of Bettermost for your convenience here is the link back to that lengthy and inconclusive thread.
http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,14666.msg284972.html#msg284972
Injest, you should meld all of your PITY PARTY threads into one giant clearinghouse, so much commentary is ignored and forgotten otherwise. ;)
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: broketrash on April 30, 2008, 01:22:00 pm ---You consistently reject church and private charities and do not acknowledge the inequity of making middle class families pay to feed, clothe, medicate, and educate the poor. While the rich pay little and the poor pay nothing into the system.
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And who do you suppose supports the churches? The rich? I doubt it. Talking about shifting the responsibility from the government to private charities is just Conservative code for eliminating help for the poor, because the government can compel support--through taxation--and private charities cannot.
Eliminating the system is not the answer. We need to fix it, plug the loopholes, so that the rich pay their fair share.
oilgun:
--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on April 30, 2008, 02:55:21 pm ---And who do you suppose supports the churches? The rich? I doubt it. Talking about shifting the responsibility from the government to private charities is just Conservative code for eliminating help for the poor, because the government can compel support--through taxation--and private charities cannot.
Eliminating the system is not the answer. We need to fix it, plug the loopholes, so that the rich pay their fair share.
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And tax the damn churches! Talk about welfare, the churches are all welfare cases as are many corporations and even whole industries. Here in 'socialist' Canada, up to 50% of the biofuel industry is funded by government subsidies. That's the same industry that's being held responsible for the worldwide food shortages. (Like that was unexpected, lol!)
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