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Why are the poor, poor?
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: broketrash on April 30, 2008, 11:15:40 pm ---that extortive compelling you have mentioned above is exactly why the welfare state no longer has the unqualified support of the overwhelming mass of the votes, who are mostly middle class.
I am all in favor of the rich, the middle class, and the poor all paying an EQUAL share. The term "fair" as applied to a tax is subjective. In reality the only "fair" tax is one which has EQUAL rates for everyone. This can be accomplished by a consumption tax which has no exceptions, no exemptions, and no refunds. If you and I walk into a store and buy a diet soda, we both should pay a fed tax on that item at the same rate, regardless of any similarities or disparities in our incomes. And this type of tax should apply to all of our consumption purchases in our lives. This tax will rid of the IRS and the unfairness that everyone agrees exists. The only fair system is an equal system. The present system of both social engineering welfare and IRS enforced taxation are unsustainable politically, and in my opinion unsustainable morally. The grasping hand of gov is robbing one section of the population in order to keep another section breeding and idle.
"we need to fix it" we hear that again and again about the welfare system, OK what are your fixes?
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Are we going to start this again? You never like our suggestions, the #1 fix is to put more money into the system to hire more counselors and agents, improve computer technology to track users/abusers of the system and tighten record keeping and to pursue and prosecute abusers of the system, make them pay back the money they embezzled, etc.
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: injest on April 30, 2008, 11:44:27 pm ---why you have such a strong reaction to my posts I do not know but the fact that you have to label them indicates they are hitting home.
I stand by each of them.
truth is truth. YOU can call them 'pity party' posts if you like, they are true to life and if they make you cringe then...GOOD! It shows you haven't completely hardened your heart.
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you have every right to post whatever you wish on subjects which concern you. you have every right to attempt to elicit "pity", "support" ,or "sympathy" for the poor on assistance. and that tactic is why I have referred to this thread as a "pity party" and other threads similar to this which you have started.
now, I have the right to not only disagree with you but also point out that we have discussed your points repeatedly on earlier threads, and that you are making the same old arguments. The thread "texas #1" is an example of this. that is why I posted the link and suggested that you might consider bumping that old thread into this new one. we lose a long train of arguments that were made at that time by not including them in this thread.
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: injest on April 30, 2008, 11:51:53 pm ---I will go for that when you agree with a fair WAGE system. Where wealthy people can't bleed a company dry and then wander off with their 'Golden Parachute" while people who have worked their entire lifes for a company lose their life savings.
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the system which you are advocating was tried in the Soviet Union. wages and prices all were set by the government. it didn't work out so well. :'(
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: injest on April 30, 2008, 11:49:19 pm ---{{Kelda}}
and you have a right to feel proud. No matter what the Eloi say.
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who are the Eloi other than characters in HG Welles "Time Machine" novel who got eaten by the Morlocks and didn't have much to say about it at all?
If you would like to say that the tax payers are Eloi, and the IRS and the poverty pimps who run the assistance programs are the Morlocks, then we are in total agreement with the analogy. ;)
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on April 30, 2008, 11:52:31 pm ---Are we going to start this again? You never like our suggestions, the #1 fix is to put more money into the system to hire more counselors and agents, improve computer technology to track users/abusers of the system and tighten record keeping and to pursue and prosecute abusers of the system, make them pay back the money they embezzled, etc.
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trying to be fair, I do say that your "fix" would fix some of the abuses around the edges.
but your fix offers no fundmental solutions to a system which traps the recipients in an endless cycle and the tax payers in another endless cycle.
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