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Why did Jacks' parents not go to his funeral ????
Artiste:
Good ideas !
optom3:
--- Quote from: Artiste on May 19, 2008, 02:55:00 pm ---Good ideas !
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What seems so gut wrenchingly terrible,is that he not only died on his own, but it would appear that no one who loved him was even at his funeral.
I cannot see how much more desolate things could have been.
It has just added a whole new layer of unbearable grief, that I had not been aware of before.
His wishes of a "sweet life" with Ennis came to nothing, and even his wishes of being scattered on the only place that had held any real hope,peace or happiness came to nothing as well.
All his dreams and wishes came to nothing,both in life and death.As OMT says about licking the ranch into shape, "like most a Jacks' ideas it never come to pass"
Makes me wonder which ideas,if any ever came to pass.
It also makes me think Jack was an incredible optimist,to remain so hopeful almost to the end.
Artiste:
Merci optom !
You say:
but it would appear that no one who loved him (Jack) was even at his funeral.
..........
Optom, I know that cases where two gay lovers lived for many, many years together, and when one died, the straights put the other gay lover to live in the street right away !!
That did happen to me and to others !!
So, we gays, have a long way to be accepted by the general population yet ??
Of course, you are one of the few exceptions !! Even, on Bettermost, many (not all thank goodness), even did not want me to even use to word gay !!
Au revoir,
hugs! You want to know about straights what they did to my lover/buddy who died - if gays could go to his funeral ?
Lynne:
--- Quote from: optom3 on May 19, 2008, 03:23:42 pm ---What seems so gut wrenchingly terrible,is that he not only died on his own, but it would appear that no one who loved him was even at his funeral.
I cannot see how much more desolate things could have been.
It has just added a whole new layer of unbearable grief, that I had not been aware of before.
His wishes of a "sweet life" with Ennis came to nothing, and even his wishes of being scattered on the only place that had held any real hope,peace or happiness came to nothing as well.
All his dreams and wishes came to nothing,both in life and death.As OMT says about licking the ranch into shape, "like most a Jacks' ideas it never come to pass"
Makes me wonder which ideas,if any ever came to pass.
It also makes me think Jack was an incredible optimist,to remain so hopeful almost to the end.
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That's a really nice summary, Fiona. I think you've hit on one of the central tragedies of the story here - that none of Jack's dreams ever did come to pass because of homophobia, both external and internal.
People like to debate whether Jack really does remain hopeful to the end.
I think I see in Jack's gaze after the flashback to the dozy embrace, watching Ennis drive away, an extinguishing of his hope for their sweet life together. The idea that Jack's father knows about the 'ranch neighbor' lends support to this idea for me - Jack had transferred his optimism to Randall.
It's tragic anyway you look at it. :-\ :'(
optom3:
--- Quote from: Lynne on May 19, 2008, 06:51:29 pm ---That's a really nice summary, Fiona. I think you've hit on one of the central tragedies of the story here - that none of Jack's dreams ever did come to pass because of homophobia, both external and internal.
People like to debate whether Jack really does remain hopeful to the end.
I think I see in Jack's gaze after the flashback to the dozy embrace, watching Ennis drive away, an extinguishing of his hope for their sweet life together. The idea that Jack's father knows about the 'ranch neighbor' lends support to this idea for me - Jack had transferred his optimism to Randall.
It's tragic anyway you look at it. :-\ :'(
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I agree 100%
It's why I put he remained hopeful, almost to the end.That scene which you refer to is just so poignant.It is like watching the candle which has once burned so brightly,just flicker and die.Even in the s.s it says perhaps "they'd never got much further than that."
There is something truly desperate about watching the hope go out of someones eyes.
A book my younger son is reading about WW2 and the holocaust, has a mother saying to her children, "for as long as there is life there is hope"
In the case of Jack I think the reverse was true, for as long as there was hope,there was life.
He almost had to die, after that heartbreaking meeting..Because inside I think he had just died anyway. The physical death was only a matter of when.The truly soul destroying death, was watching that last little flicker of hope die.
Perhaps that is why Proulx leaves the means of death open to interpretation.It almost seems unimportant.
Jack the eternally optimistic dreamer, for whom hope springs eternal,has just lost all hope.
I have seen that look in someones eyes.I put it there, and I would give anything to go back and rewind the tape.It is one of the reasons that BBM destroys me every time I watch it.It is like some nightmare groundhog day.
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