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TOTW 18/08: The lines from the trailer
Artiste:
Sel. Ennis and Jack had NO freedom to make such decision to stay together as lovers !!
sel:
I haven't been to this thread for a few days. WOW! It is so full of insight, every single post. BlissC I like your poem very much. I am very happy to have found BetterMost.
--- Quote from: Mandy21 on May 28, 2008, 09:46:47 pm ---I also want to say thank you to our new friend Sel who had such great insights, and if English isn't your first language, then perhaps it should be, because you did a damned fine job of expressing yourself with wisdom and clarity. Good for you.
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Thank you Mandy for your encouragement. Both my written and spoken English used to be much better, but nowadays I hardly ever get the chance to speak it.
--- Quote from: Artiste on May 30, 2008, 08:48:53 pm ---Sel. Ennis and Jack had NO freedom to make such decision to stay together as lovers !!
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When I say that J and E had the freedom to choose I didn't think that the road ahead would have been dead simple, not at all. I am sure a lot of difficulties, hard times, risks taking would have expected them.
I know, I belong to a different generation, I was born and live on a different continent, I am not gay. However I feel they had a better chance of living their love had they not married, had they moved out of Wyoming, and so on. I am not accusing them for not making those choices, they did the best the could considering the time and the place they were living in, and their experiences up to then. Jack was more adventurous and optimistic which helped, or may be not, as we are left to wonder how he died. IMHO.
Although in different circumstances I can remember all too well a time in my life around J and E's age when I had that power and couldn't use it , as if I didn't have the tools, or may be the tools were there but I didn't know how to use them.
BlissC:
--- Quote from: sel on May 31, 2008, 04:54:18 am ---
--- Quote from: Artiste on May 30, 2008, 08:48:53 pm ---Sel. Ennis and Jack had NO freedom to make such decision to stay together as lovers !!
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When I say that J and E had the freedom to choose I didn't think that the road ahead would have been dead simple, not at all. I am sure a lot of difficulties, hard times, risks taking would have expected them.
I know, I belong to a different generation, I was born and live on a different continent, I am not gay. However I feel they had a better chance of living their love had they not married, had they moved out of Wyoming, and so on. I am not accusing them for not making those choices, they did the best the could considering the time and the place they were living in, and their experiences up to then. Jack was more adventurous and optimistic which helped, or may be not, as we are left to wonder how he died. IMHO.
Although in different circumstances I can remember all too well a time in my life around J and E's age when I had that power and couldn't use it , as if I didn't have the tools, or may be the tools were there but I didn't know how to use them.
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I agree with Sel. They did have the freedom to make a choice, just as we all do in various aspects of our lives, at least for a time they did, but given circumstances and their experiences they didn't feel that they had that choice. As Sel said, it wouldn't have been easy, but there are times in the story when maybe they might have had the opportunity to change their lives.
Maybe after they came down from the mountain neither was ready or in a situation to be able to make that kind of life changing decision (though Ennis does say that a year later he realised he shouldn't have let Jack go), but later, Jack had a plan, which given the situation with LD wanting him out of his daughter's life, may just have been a workable plan. Later still, after Ennis's divorce was another potential opportunity, but again Ennis didn't feel that his circumstances allowed him to make that decision.
I think few people blame them for the decisions they took - they were the product of their upbringing, experiences, situation and time - but given the will and the courage just maybe things might have turned out differently. The only things in life we have no freedom over are death and taxes, but given human consciousness and self awareness, everything else can be influenced by choices (okay, a bit of an over-simplification, but I hope you get what I mean).
BlissC:
--- Quote from: optom3 on May 28, 2008, 08:13:41 pm ---I love your poem. Why is it we can only write poetry when depressed,or at least that is the way it is for me.
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Thanks. Same for me, mostly, though I do have a few inspired by more cheerful things. I guess it's partly because we tend to be most affected by things we feel strongly, and on the whole creativity's a "from the heart" thing. I guess part of it too's trying to make sense of it all - looking back, I have tons of poems all with a similar feel and about the same thing. How much they helped me make sense of it all's debatable, but just getting something down on paper I often find helps.
Artiste:
Merci Bliss !
It is hard to understand you, as it is so with Ennis and Jack to be understood ??
Likely or maybe so, may I say !
You want some details ? Warning: you might not like what I will say in parts or in totally !!
Au revoir,
hugs !
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