Brokeback Mountain: Our Community's Common Bond > Heath Ledger Remembrance Forum
The Dark Knight: News, Reviews, your Views. "SPOILERS" welcome!
Ellemeno:
--- Quote from: Fran on July 23, 2008, 02:52:45 pm ---Don't know how long it'll be available, but, if anyone's interested, here's the first six minutes of TDK:
http://www.filmofilia.com/2007/12/16/dark-knight-trailer-first-six-minutes/
(I finally figured out where Heath came in. LOL)
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Thanks Fran!
I just watched it twice with the sound completely off (in the room with my 5 yo), and I think it helped me see Heath/Ennis. As he jumps up in the school bus, there's a "Gotta go" molecule or two.
Meryl:
--- Quote from: Elle on July 23, 2008, 03:59:57 pm ---I just watched it twice with the sound completely off (in the room with my 5 yo), and I think it helped me see Heath/Ennis. As he jumps up in the school bus, there's a "Gotta go" molecule or two.
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Bingo! I thought the same thing. :)
ednbarby:
--- Quote from: LauraGigs on July 22, 2008, 11:53:00 pm ---Definitely an element of pathos, I agree. He's essentially very lonely. Along the psychosis and appetite for destruction, there seems to be this desire to impress and engage people. To connect. When the one gangster in the meeting calls him crazy or something, you expect him to be like, "big deal"! Instead he says, "no, I'm not" — softly, but with some emotional intensity.
And of course, you have to wonder what trauma and isolation led to him becoming what he was. Ledger gives us tiny peeks at that isolation underneath the repulsive exterior.
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I was going to say the same thing - there are two or three different times he's called "a freak" and he defiantly, but quietly says "No, I'm not. I'm not..." If he were a true sociopath and misanthrope, he'd have laughed at that or not even batted an eyelash. But there is definitely an element of wanting to be appreciated for exactly what he is. And he's not. And that is the loneliest thing there is.
(I noticed, that he also killed all the people who called him that.)
optom3:
--- Quote from: ednbarby on July 24, 2008, 12:08:17 pm ---I was going to say the same thing - there are two or three different times he's called "a freak" and he defiantly, but quietly says "No, I'm not. I'm not..." If he were a true sociopath and misanthrope, he'd have laughed at that or not even batted an eyelash. But there is definitely an element of wanting to be appreciated for exactly what he is. And he's not. And that is the loneliest thing there is.
(I noticed, that he also killed all the people who called him that.)
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I need to go and see it again. I knew that in parts of the movie I was feeling pity for the joker, I just did not know why.I even thought at one stage maybe I had crossed a line and was feeling pity for myself re Heath and Jan.
The explanation you give, explains the pathos I felt, and underlines again, what an incredible talent we have lost.To have the audience feel some degree of emapthy for a psychopath,well that is beyond incredible.I have simply run out of superlatives. Perhaps the O.E.D. can come up with a new one.
ednbarby:
I wholeheartedly agree, Optom - you should go see it again, and we have lost an indescribably great talent.
I remember describing what I once thought was the greatest acting ever committed to film (before I saw "Brokeback Mountain" and this movie) - Ralph Fiennes' Amon Goethe in "Schindler's List" - as being someone who took a horror of a human being and made me feel sorry for him. I said "Now, THAT'S acting."
Actually, THIS is.
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